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#21 bathory

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:17 PM

and for the record, it's an 80s album! ~case closed~

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:17 PM

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:19 PM

The Permanent Waves warmup tour was from 8/17/79 to 9/22/79 and featured only these songs from the album:
The Spirit Of Radio (Early version which did not include the final guitar solo)
Freewill (Early version which did not include the final guitar solo.)

Only two songs out of six and they weren't even the final versions.

There is absolutely zero justification for PW to be considered a 70's album.

The facts are the facts.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:20 PM

View PostDr. Sheldon Cooper, on 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:22 PM

@savage: a lot of folks mean that it's 70s "in spirit."

I believe ledrush was the first dude to say that months and months ago in another poll that was similar to this one, but he was just saying that because he hates most 80s music

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostDr. Sheldon Cooper, on 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:25 PM

View Postbathory, on 01 October 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

@savage: a lot of folks mean that it's 70s "in spirit."

I believe ledrush was the first dude to say that months and months ago in another poll that was similar to this one, but he was just saying that because he hates most 80s music

I understand that but the question is :
What decade does Permanent Waves REALLY belong in?


It doesn't matter what it "feels" like. The objective answer is clear.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:28 PM

View Posttroutman, on 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostDr. Sheldon Cooper, on 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P
I saw it.... :)

#30 savagegrace26

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:29 PM

View PostNarpski, on 01 October 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostDr. Sheldon Cooper, on 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P
I saw it.... :)

Did you see it in 1979 or 1980?

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:31 PM

Have we come to a decision here yet?

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:33 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:37 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:37 PM

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

View PostNarpski, on 01 October 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

View Posttroutman, on 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

View PostDr. Sheldon Cooper, on 01 October 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

It was purposefully released on Midnight January 1, 1980 so that it would be the first album released in the 80's.

70's.

Yes, which means that it's "purposefully" a 1980's album. And release dates are usually intentional.

Are you arguing against yourself in your own post?

I personally don't give a sh**!!!

I missed this tour so thats all that matters. :rage: :P
I saw it.... :)

Did you see it in 1979 or 1980?
Both...

#36 savagegrace26

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:41 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

Eh, you have a good response there... :/

I don't know.

Movies and music are different to me. It's dependent on when they are publicly released because they are being produced mainly for public consumption.

Paintings are more personal...

Eh. You have a good point :)

The real question is when is the work conisdered "finished"? Usually it's not until actual release.

I really like your response by the way :) :) :)

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:41 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

When in 1979 was it recorded?

#38 savagegrace26

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:42 PM

View PostLorraine, on 01 October 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

View Postsavagegrace26, on 01 October 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 October 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

I'm not sure I understand the question. If it was created in the 70s, why wouldn't that make it a product of that decade?

http://www.therushfo...n/#entry3299129

Yes and...? It doesn't really matter when the public heard it. What matters is when it was created. It's their music not ours. If an artist paints a painting in December of one year but doesn't put it up in a gallery until January of the next year that doesn't change the fact that it was created in the previous year.

When in 1979 was it recorded?

It matters when it was mixed and mastered too which is part of the process. When the work was completely finished.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:44 PM

The somewhat brighter production and shorter songs may make it seem like 80s Rush, but it doesn't have the cheeseball 80s synth sound.  It feels 70sish to me, but I also think it's kind of a threshold thing - definitely looking back and looking forward.

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:44 PM

Paintings are not usually mass produced right away so...it depends with that...

There's just one painting and it's shown in galleries.

Movies and music like this are usually released in large quantities to the general public.




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