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#141 treeduck

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 05:40 PM

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View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:

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View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

I think there should be a registration of some kind to have children. People should have to pass an IQ test and then be able to prove that they can support the children that they're bringing into the world.
The unfortunate part of that is then there goes freedom and liberty or move to China I guess..... :)

There's no such thing as complete freedom and liberty. We're all under someones thumb, either a government or an employer...etc.
NO!

You're free inside your own mind, they can't get in there...yet...(but they want to)

You only THINK you're free.
You mean YOU only think YOU'RE free you have no idea what goes on in anybody else's head. You don't even know if anybody else is really alive, they could be a robots, and you have no way to really prove it, not in the way that you "know" that you're alive...or think you are...damn robot...

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#142 EagleMoon

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 09:56 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:

View PostNarpski, on 01 September 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

I think there should be a registration of some kind to have children. People should have to pass an IQ test and then be able to prove that they can support the children that they're bringing into the world.
The unfortunate part of that is then there goes freedom and liberty or move to China I guess..... :)

There's no such thing as complete freedom and liberty. We're all under someones thumb, either a government or an employer...etc.
NO!

You're free inside your own mind, they can't get in there...yet...(but they want to)

You only THINK you're free.
You mean YOU only think YOU'RE free you have no idea what goes on in anybody else's head. You don't even know if anybody else is really alive, they could be a robots, and you have no way to really prove it, not in the way that you "know" that you're alive...or think you are...damn robot...

Smoking a bit too much of the weed today, eh? :)

#143 treeduck

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 02:58 AM

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:

View PostNarpski, on 01 September 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

I think there should be a registration of some kind to have children. People should have to pass an IQ test and then be able to prove that they can support the children that they're bringing into the world.
The unfortunate part of that is then there goes freedom and liberty or move to China I guess..... :)

There's no such thing as complete freedom and liberty. We're all under someones thumb, either a government or an employer...etc.
NO!

You're free inside your own mind, they can't get in there...yet...(but they want to)

You only THINK you're free.
You mean YOU only think YOU'RE free you have no idea what goes on in anybody else's head. You don't even know if anybody else is really alive, they could be a robots, and you have no way to really prove it, not in the way that you "know" that you're alive...or think you are...damn robot...

Smoking a bit too much of the weed today, eh? :)
You'd know more about that than I ever would I think... :angel:

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 05:54 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

You only THINK you're free.

I think.
I think I am.  
Therefore, I am!  I think....

Of course you are my bright little star!
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit

Our Great computer
You're magnetic ink.


I'm more than that

I know I am.
At least, I think I must be.

There you go, man!

Keep as cool as you can.
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.


#145 EagleMoon

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:18 PM

View Posttreeduck, on 24 September 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 05:40 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

View Posttreeduck, on 23 September 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:41 PM, said:

View PostNarpski, on 01 September 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 01 September 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

I think there should be a registration of some kind to have children. People should have to pass an IQ test and then be able to prove that they can support the children that they're bringing into the world.
The unfortunate part of that is then there goes freedom and liberty or move to China I guess..... :)

There's no such thing as complete freedom and liberty. We're all under someones thumb, either a government or an employer...etc.
NO!

You're free inside your own mind, they can't get in there...yet...(but they want to)

You only THINK you're free.
You mean YOU only think YOU'RE free you have no idea what goes on in anybody else's head. You don't even know if anybody else is really alive, they could be a robots, and you have no way to really prove it, not in the way that you "know" that you're alive...or think you are...damn robot...

Smoking a bit too much of the weed today, eh? :)
You'd know more about that than I ever would I think... :angel:

I thought my curtains were closed that day. Sigh.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 11:56 AM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 24 September 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

You only THINK you're free.

I think.
I think I am.  
Therefore, I am!  I think....

Of course you are my bright little star!
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit

Our Great computer
You're magnetic ink.


I'm more than that

I know I am.
At least, I think I must be.

There you go, man!

Keep as cool as you can.
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.


Ah!  The Moodies!!

#147 EagleMoon

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:00 PM

View PostLorraine, on 25 September 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 24 September 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

You only THINK you're free.

I think.
I think I am.  
Therefore, I am!  I think....

Of course you are my bright little star!
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit

Our Great computer
You're magnetic ink.


I'm more than that

I know I am.
At least, I think I must be.

There you go, man!

Keep as cool as you can.
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.


Ah!  The Moodies!!

Okay, I was wondering what this was from. :)

#148 Lorraine

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:04 PM

It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.


My favorite line 45 years ago and still today.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:05 PM

Except I think the last part is:  just keep on thinking free.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:32 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 25 September 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 25 September 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 24 September 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 23 September 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

You only THINK you're free.

I think.
I think I am.  
Therefore, I am!  I think....

Of course you are my bright little star!
I've miles and miles of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
And now to suit

Our Great computer
You're magnetic ink.


I'm more than that

I know I am.
At least, I think I must be.

There you go, man!

Keep as cool as you can.
Face piles of trials with smiles
It riles them to believe
That you perceive
The web they weave
And keep on thinking free.


Ah!  The Moodies!!

Okay, I was wondering what this was from. :)

Check this out.  The lyrics begin around 1:10....... :haz:



#151 Lorraine

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:56 PM

  Tell us what you see
In faraway forgotten lands
Where empires have turned back to sand


Those were the days.  A truly great band at one time.

#152 EagleMoon

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 07:55 PM

I never listened to The Moody Blues but that's pretty cool. Spacey.  :)

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 12:01 PM

It's a very responsible choice to make, if a woman is sure she doesn't want to have any children, to not have them- because conversely, it's irresponsible and unfair to bring children into the world if you cannot or will not love them unconditionally.

I have two. And I thought for sure that I wouldn't have any more. But as things continue to evolve...I would be really happy to have more.

Edited by Blue J, 29 September 2014 - 12:02 PM.


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 06:11 PM

View PostBowlCity, on 11 August 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

I plan on it, but give me another 3-5 years, I got shit to take care of! :D

I was a first-time father at the age of 41. If I'd had been a father in my 20s, I would have been horrible at it. It took me a while for me to grow up enough to figure out what parenting is all about. Don't rush it, man. :)

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 06:19 PM

View PostJARG, on 29 September 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

View PostBowlCity, on 11 August 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

I plan on it, but give me another 3-5 years, I got shit to take care of! :D

I was a first-time father at the age of 41. If I'd had been a father in my 20s, I would have been horrible at it. It took me a while for me to grow up enough to figure out what parenting is all about. Don't rush it, man. :)
We were married at 20 and waited purposely 6 years to have our first and then 3 more to have our second and last. Plan your life and don't let it plan you. Some things in this life you can control....

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 06:21 PM

View PostNarpski, on 29 September 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 29 September 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

View PostBowlCity, on 11 August 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

I plan on it, but give me another 3-5 years, I got shit to take care of! :D

I was a first-time father at the age of 41. If I'd had been a father in my 20s, I would have been horrible at it. It took me a while for me to grow up enough to figure out what parenting is all about. Don't rush it, man. :)
We were married at 20 and waited purposely 6 years to have our first and then 3 more to have our second and last. Plan your life and don't let it plan you. Some things in this life you can control....

Definitely make sure you enjoy your own childhood before becoming a parent!

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Posted 29 September 2014 - 06:22 PM

View Postx1yyz, on 29 September 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

View PostNarpski, on 29 September 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostJARG, on 29 September 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

View PostBowlCity, on 11 August 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

I plan on it, but give me another 3-5 years, I got shit to take care of! :D

I was a first-time father at the age of 41. If I'd had been a father in my 20s, I would have been horrible at it. It took me a while for me to grow up enough to figure out what parenting is all about. Don't rush it, man. :)
We were married at 20 and waited purposely 6 years to have our first and then 3 more to have our second and last. Plan your life and don't let it plan you. Some things in this life you can control....

Definitely make sure you enjoy your own childhood before becoming a parent!
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:34 PM

It's a decision you have some control over but not complete control...

We got married at 26 (me), 23 (husband), finally made a positive decision to have a baby 4 years later. I got pregnant pretty much instantly but then had a miscarriage and ongoing problems which put me off the whole idea of having kids. Just over a year later, there was a health scare about the mini-pill and my local surgery stopped prescribing it to everyone. The alternative pill they put me on gave me monthly migraines, so we were just trying other methods when I got pregnant unexpectedly. Although it wasn't planned, I didn't regret it at all. I just wasn't ready to make a decision to go through again everything I went through before.

My 15 year old daughter is well aware of this story and has told her friends that she can't hate migraines too much because they are responsible for her existence!

I respect anyone's life choices, whether or not they want children, including if they get pregnant accidentally and realise they will not cope with a child. We were happy with one but were sure we didn't want another.

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 05:00 PM

The whole wait til you're a certain age argument baffles me.  Age is no indication of maturity.  My wife and I had our first at 23 and most people we know consider us pretty good parents.  On the other hand I work with a guy who is 42 and has a three year old who can't put together a complete sentence and still wears diapers and has never even been put near a toilet to begin potty training.  His clothing is all purchased from consignment stores while his father sports $150 sneakers and $2000 televisions.  Now does that really indicate that age equals maturity?

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 01:13 PM

I don't think it was really decided, it just sort of ended up that way - and many times I think, unfortunately it ended that way.
There was always something else going on, but of course if we were pregnant I would have had the child, no question.
The past few decades have moved exceptionally fast.





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