Aftershock - Van Hagar

[The Analog Cub]

I'm of the opinion that Van Halen with Sammy Hagar wasn't nearly as good as the early years with Roth, but damn, they pulled this track out of their asses on what was probably the worst of the Van Hagar era. This song ROCKS! :haz:

 

[Tombstone Mountain]

I'm of a different opinion. To me Carnal Knowledge is the best they've sounded as a band. Gimme Sammy any day.

[goose]

I'm of a different opinion. To me Carnal Knowledge is the best they've sounded as a band. Gimme Sammy any day.

I'm with you.

[EagleMoon]

I like both versions but I think I like the one with Sammy the best.

[Turbine Freight]

Roth-era VH rules! The best stuff was at the beginning imo.

 

But the Sammy version was cool too, but in a very different way.

[Rick N. Backer]

I love both bands, but they're most assuredly two bands. For me, Fair Warning is the high water mark of the Roth era. Carnal is probably the best of the Hagar, but it's not as clear cut.

[Presto-digitation]

Great song that flies under the radar. Would very much make my top (whatever) Van Hagar list.

[custom55]

With DRL, Van Halen were young and hungry for success, and they got it. Great innovative music from Eddie.

With Sammy, they became too pop for me. Don't get me wrong 5150, OU812 and F.U.C.K had some great songs but NOTHING Sammy has done with VH even comes close to this live performance. :finbar:

I've seen VH with both DLR and Sammy. When I went to see VH with DLR, I watched DLR as much as Eddie. With Sammy, I just watched Eddie.

 

http://youtu.be/OlZlOnLIelE

Edited August 2, 2014 by custom55

[Rick N. Backer]

Eddie's playing is so much more electric during the Roth era. And Fair Warning is one of my favorite studio albums by anyone. There are no bad songs on any of the Roth era LPs. Some of the more self consciously pop stuff during the Hagar era isn't my cup of tea. Edited August 2, 2014 by Rick N. Backer

[custom55]

Just goes to show you, Fair Warning was their worst selling album. I think it's their best. Edited August 2, 2014 by custom55

[custom55]

I did not know this.

 

[Tombstone Mountain]

IMO Sammy pushed the band in terms of the music itself, his vocals were fantastic and fit perfectly.

[Rod in Toronto]

I´m with Rick here, Van Halen and Van Hagar are two completely different bands.

 

Balance was a time of turmoil within the band, but that didn´t stop the album from having at least three gems: Aftershock, Seventh Seal and Feelin´. Here´s a live take of Aftershock:

 

[goose]

Just goes to show you, Fair Warning was their worst selling album. I think it's their best.

Women & Children and Fair Warning are my favorite VH albums overall. Stellar guitar work.

[The Analog Cub]

I´m with Rick here, Van Halen and Van Hagar are two completely different bands.

 

Balance was a time of turmoil within the band, but that didn´t stop the album from having at least three gems: Aftershock, Seventh Seal and Feelin´. Here´s a live take of Aftershock:

 

 

I will say that Seventh Seal is also a badass tune.

[treeduck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhd7LCSMHt8

[Turbine Freight]

Just goes to show you, Fair Warning was their worst selling album. I think it's their best.

 

Crikey!!!

 

I never knew that was VH's worst seller!!

 

I too think it is their absolute pinnacle!

[Rod in Toronto]

I´m with Rick here, Van Halen and Van Hagar are two completely different bands.

 

Balance was a time of turmoil within the band, but that didn´t stop the album from having at least three gems: Aftershock, Seventh Seal and Feelin´. Here´s a live take of Aftershock:

 

 

I will say that Seventh Seal is also a badass tune.

 

Especially the live, extended version they played on a few dates on the Balance tour.

[Rod in Toronto]

IMO Sammy pushed the band in terms of the music itself, his vocals were fantastic and fit perfectly.

 

Without Sammy, a song like Dreams would never exist. And 5150 , which was demoed while Roth was still in the band, would have sounded completely different. I like both sides of VH, and tried my best to like the third side when Cherone joined...after multiple listens to VHIII since its release, it still sounds like crap. And to think that they spend months on end producing it makes matters even worse. The only good thing about VHIII was the setlist of that tour.

[Rod in Toronto]

I did not know this.

 

 

I knew about this guy auditioning, and also, believe it or not, Canadian singer Sass Jordan was considered to be the singer back then, which would have been even worse than Cherone.

[Rick N. Backer]

I did not know this.

 

http://youtu.be/dxF4WRORQ9s

 

I knew about this guy auditioning, and also, believe it or not, Canadian singer Sass Jordan was considered to be the singer back then, which would have been even worse than Cherone.

 

 

You know, I actually don't blame Cherone for 3 stinking as bad as it does. With the exception of a couple of tunes, the songs are the problem. That has to fall on Eddie. His playing is so uninspired on that album. Cherone did a pretty good job with Mean Street live, too.

[ZachenFoot]

I did not know this.

 

http://youtu.be/dxF4WRORQ9s

 

I knew about this guy auditioning, and also, believe it or not, Canadian singer Sass Jordan was considered to be the singer back then, which would have been even worse than Cherone.

 

 

You know, I actually don't blame Cherone for 3 stinking as bad as it does. With the exception of a couple of tunes, the songs are the problem. That has to fall on Eddie. His playing is so uninspired on that album. Cherone did a pretty good job with Mean Street live, too.

 

Nobody should blame Gary, I'm glad you feel that way.

 

Christ, he doesn't even sound like himself on 3. Gary is one of the most underrated and underappreciated rock voices ever, IMO. Dude had wicked range and could belt any song, and he proved that on the 3 Tour. It didn't help that he sang for (an also underappreciated) Extreme and a failed iteration of Van Halen. "Three" was Eddie's failure.

Edited August 4, 2014 by ZachenFoot

[ZachenFoot]

As for VH with Roth and Hagar, to me it's all the same and I love both eras. If you stuck a gun to my head and made me choose, I'd say Hagar era, but that's because all of my Van Halen experience has been in hindsight and I'm 100x the Hagar fan than I am Roth.

 

Eddie's playing was more reckless with Roth, but Hagar pushed every member's ability as a musician. It helped that Hagar himself was a damn good guitar player and his voice was far better than Roth's (DLR didn't need the voice, his swagger carried things just fine). VH "grew up" with Sammy, and I like that a lot. Both eras were great.

 

Aftershock is stellar. I love the Balance album. It just suffers the fate of songs like Can't Stop Loving You and Not Enough, along with the weird and uniniteresting instrumental tracks (save Baluchitherium, which is one of Ed's best pieces).

[Presto-digitation]

I´m with Rick here, Van Halen and Van Hagar are two completely different bands.

 

Balance was a time of turmoil within the band, but that didn´t stop the album from having at least three gems: Aftershock, Seventh Seal and Feelin´. Here´s a live take of Aftershock:

 

 

I will say that Seventh Seal is also a badass tune.

 

Agree. Also love Humans Being and Judgment Day as well. Wish more Van Hagar had that edge.

[The Analog Cub]

I´m with Rick here, Van Halen and Van Hagar are two completely different bands.

 

Balance was a time of turmoil within the band, but that didn´t stop the album from having at least three gems: Aftershock, Seventh Seal and Feelin´. Here´s a live take of Aftershock:

 

 

I will say that Seventh Seal is also a badass tune.

 

Agree. Also love Humans Being and Judgment Day as well. Wish more Van Hagar had that edge.

 

Humans Being is okay but that was right at the point where Eddie lost it with the booze. His playing is wayyy too sloppy. The drums are good though, AVH never disappoints.