Gabrielgil513, on 09 March 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:
Blue J, on 09 March 2015 - 08:38 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 09 March 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:
Blue J, on 09 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
toymaker, on 09 March 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:
Along with being the "red vinyl" Hemispheres ambassador - which doesn't really have that many responsibilities - I would like to apply for a secondment: I would like to be the Defender of Permanent Waves as a Seventies Record. I don't know if I need to make a motion or have a seconder or whatever, but count on me to weigh in whenever some 80s fan tries to wrangle Permanent Waves based on that little release date technicality.
I second the above motion. All in favor, say "aye".
Sorry, you're third.
But Aye anyway...
We should start recruiting an army of supporters.
How bout those comin at ya from the opposite direction??
I'm with y'all putting Waves in the 70s, nothin beats Rush 70s, their best adrenaline fueled hard prog rock opus album after perfect album.... but Waves, as great as it is, it don't really fit in too perfectly in their 70s arsenal, some may say their 70s is so strong that it don't need no help. 70s Rush stands on its own. Waves with its fancy reggeaeae, new waving n loopy er fects in natreal scense. Plus, Alex specifically wanted Waves in the 80s as a bold futuristic record. We have that contractual obligation as fans to listen to Mr. L's instructions. Oh yeah that Alex dude-
Where Steve Vai may make us say “I wish I could do that,” Alex Lifeson makes us say, “I wish I’d thought of that."
The other issue to consider, of course, is that somewhere else on the forum a group of members decided that the 80s really didn't start until 1984. I may be misremembering, but it was something like that. I don't think anyone informed Lifeson, though. I'm not necessarily willing to go that far, but as per my responsibilities I will defend Permanent Waves once more as a 70s album. At ambassadorial parties, most people will tend to wander away from me at this point, because I will start to sound like a (70s) broken record (for you very young folks, that's not literally a "broken" record, but one which has a flaw in the "groove" that makes the "needle" jump back into the same groove and repeat the same 3 or 4 second section of music over and over again).
Since Permanent Waves was created in the 70s (according to the standard way of looking at things), it just has to be a 70s record - taking "record" to mean a collection of sounds committed to tape, and not the factory sealed album that people began buying in the stores on January 1, 1980--although even the manufacturing of that physical product had to have happened in the 70s. The most we can say, I think is that some of the sounds may reflect a trend that we started to hear more and more in the 80s. However, unless Rush had some kind of way of "hearing into the future," those trends were already clearly in the making by the late 70s. If Savage Grace were here, he would talk about "incontrovertible facts" like the release date, along with the notion of "creative culminations"--like the idea that music isn't music until it is heard by the buying public, at which point it is appreciated (forgive me if I am not doing full justice to this logic). I don't mean to "speak ill of the banned," but to me a recording happens when it's made, whether it is appreciated by a bunch of other folks or not.
Permanent Waves is pretty much a perfectly beautiful album, created by Rush at the peak of their creative and playing powers (ooooh, I'm gonna get an earful for that one...), and it also stands a very good chance of being elected "most glorious." At the very least it should survive until the last few rounds.