The Analog Cub Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 So I'm listening to one of their greatest cuts from the 70's (probably top 5) and I still haven't been able to figure out what the growl is. Can someone tell me what the By-Tor growl is? I always thought it was Ged doing something crazy with his bass amp, but I can't say for sure. Reference: around 2:42 in the song is when it's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The ATWAS version (the most awesome version IMO) I always thought he was doing something weird with his bass too. Haven't a clue what though.... :haz: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas7 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 The ATWAS version (the most awesome version IMO) I always thought he was doing something weird with his bass too. Haven't a clue what though.... :haz: My only problem with the ATWAS version is they slow down the Hymn of Triumph a bit too much, almost to a complete crawl. This is one of the FEW occasions where I prefer the studio version of a Rush song, and I mean FEW. If Rio had performed it in full rather than only 80% of it, I would have chosen that version. They lit a fire under By-Tor's ass on the Vapor Trails tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 When they play it live, you can hear Geddy's bass line underneath it, so it's something that he could trigger with his feet, most likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geddy's Soul Patch Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. FBN was before the Taurus pedal days. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here but I've read that it is something that Geddy is doing with his bass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. FBN was before the Taurus pedal days. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here but I've read that it is something that Geddy is doing with his bass. But how is he playing a solid bass line and making that sound at the same time live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. FBN was before the Taurus pedal days. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here but I've read that it is something that Geddy is doing with his bass. But how is he playing a solid bass line and making that sound at the same time live? Nonono, he's talking about on the album. Live, I'm almost positive it's a pedal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 If I remember correctly, the camera focuses on Alex stomping on the pedal that triggers the growl in the Rio concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 The ATWAS version (the most awesome version IMO) I always thought he was doing something weird with his bass too. Haven't a clue what though.... :haz: My only problem with the ATWAS version is they slow down the Hymn of Triumph a bit too much, almost to a complete crawl. This is one of the FEW occasions where I prefer the studio version of a Rush song, and I mean FEW. If Rio had performed it in full rather than only 80% of it, I would have chosen that version. They lit a fire under By-Tor's ass on the Vapor Trails tour. I love that part live because of the way Alex creates those tape delay drenched washes and swirls. And its a perfect lead into one of his best solos that is so damn bluesy, you think you are listening to another band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 If I remember correctly, the camera focuses on Alex stomping on the pedal that triggers the growl in the Rio concert. His foot is on his Cry Baby pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 However, you can see Geddy clearly stepping on a Taurus pedal during that section, while Alex is walking around freely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen of the World Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 To quote Geddy from the book "Bass Heroes", "I put my Fender bass through a fuzztone -I can't remember what kind-and then into the board. It was distorted all to shit, so we added phasing, and ultimately put in everything but the kitchen sink. I had all that sound going through a volume pedal, so every time the monster was supposed to growl, I would lean on the volume pedal." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Analog Cub Posted April 19, 2014 Author Share Posted April 19, 2014 Ah, my mistake. It's been a while since I watched the Rio concert. A classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 This thread has made me watch several differnt videos of the song. Not that I'm complaining, though. ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushchick10 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. FBN was before the Taurus pedal days. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here but I've read that it is something that Geddy is doing with his bass. Yes...I have an interview with Geddy from the PeW era where he says that they got that sound by running his bass through "everything but the kitchen sink." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushchick10 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 To quote Geddy from the book "Bass Heroes", "I put my Fender bass through a fuzztone -I can't remember what kind-and then into the board. It was distorted all to shit, so we added phasing, and ultimately put in everything but the kitchen sink. I had all that sound going through a volume pedal, so every time the monster was supposed to growl, I would lean on the volume pedal." That is the interview to which I was referring. Thanks for not making me dig that book out of a box. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 To quote Geddy from the book "Bass Heroes", "I put my Fender bass through a fuzztone -I can't remember what kind-and then into the board. It was distorted all to shit, so we added phasing, and ultimately put in everything but the kitchen sink. I had all that sound going through a volume pedal, so every time the monster was supposed to growl, I would lean on the volume pedal." And there we have it! I thought the sound may have come from a fuzz box of some kind. And I;m not surprised that they heaped a bunch of other stuff onto it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 This thread makes me happy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGr8imL84AD8inF8sBlackSedan Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I thought it really was a dog fighting a monster......Silly me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always thought it was a sound got from those Taurus pedals. FBN was before the Taurus pedal days. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here but I've read that it is something that Geddy is doing with his bass. But how is he playing a solid bass line and making that sound at the same time live? He's not. Back before the days of samplers, they ran tape from the audio board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 And way back in the day I read an interview with Geddy and he said the sound was done with his bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangster of Goats Posted April 20, 2014 Share Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) I got the ESL video before the Fly By Night album, and I remember wondering wtf that growling noise was during By-Tor. My first thought it was Geddy doing it on his bass since there were a couple quick shots of him playing while the growl was especially evident, but soon I realized he was playing a real bassline aside from the growl. Then I figured it was something taped playing through the sound system (which was correct) since it couldn't possibly be Alex or Geddy going it live. Later on, I got Fly By Night and heard the growl there, and I just figured it was some crazy Alex overdub stuff and didn't really think much more of it for many years. But then later on I read it was Geddy playing a highly effected bass after all, so my first impression all those years ago turned out to be on the right track. ;) Edited April 20, 2014 by Bangster of Goats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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