clem Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Found this on a Styx board. I'm a big fan of them, although Kilroy was not one of their more profound moments. For the record (pardon the pun), I NEVER saw any similarity between these two albums. DDY has a very annoying sense of "humor", so be prepared to groan a bit..... Clem =================== Over the years I have read that some people believe Kilroy Was Here was a rip off of Rush's album 2112. Mostly Rush fans. So today for the first time ever I looked up 2112 and read the plot line and song list(have I mentioned were in the grip of a polar vortex here and...I'm bored). Though I have great respect for Rush, I have never owned a Rush album and know them mostly from their songs that made the radio; Tom Sawyer, Fly by Night, Closer to the Heart. I was surprised to find that I didn't recognize any of the song titles on this album. I guess what I'm getting at is if there are ANY similarities between 2112 and Kilroy it's totally coincidental. Remember great minds think alike, unfortunately so do mediocre and stupid ones. Neil Peart who wrote the lyrics and story of 2112 based his concept on an Ayn Rand book entitled Anthem. He has since denounced his love of her writings and blamed it on the musings of his youth. I have never denounced Kilroy, but I do regret not making him Chinese given the way there world has turned. Thank you very much Mr Roboto in Chinese is Fei Chang Xie xie Xiansheng Ji Qi Ren, catchy huh, on second thought. Peart's vision of the future was about an intergalactic group of priests who utilize computers to dominate all areas of society kind of like the IRS but with zappers. On the other hand Dr. Righteous is simply a cable network owner whose part preacher and politician, though unelected. His goal is to simply ban rock music with a group of like minded anti first amendment thugs, increase his networks viewership and make himself rich. He even has his own brand of fried chicken. (He's Branding). In the original draft he was a failed rock musician who'd found the righteous path, so to speak. 2112 has the Red Star of the Solar Federation and the temple of the Syrinx. Neil's thinking big thinks here while Kilroy only has little old Dr Righteous and the Majority for Musical Morality. Wimpy by comparison. Hell Rush had the whole damn galaxy no wonder they are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rush's hero finds a guitar learns how to play it and attempts to bring back the old ways but finds resistance from you know who, the Syrinx cat's. He becomes despondent and commits suicide. Bummer. In Kilroy Jonathan Chance has the guitar passed to him by his mentor Kilroy and vows to fight to keep rock alive. ("Damn it Kilroy"). Does he succeed, who knows, but it's hopeful. However if current music trends are any indication, Miley Cyrus's tongue, Lady Ga Ga's designer and Bruno Mars fancy footwork have done more to kill rock music then twenty Dr Righteous's. Face it kids Pop rules! I could keep blabbering on here but I noticed the sun just came out and it's nearly reached 10 degrees so in conclusion, I never ever knew anything about 2112 when I came up with the Kilroy concept (it would be fun to say it was all Neil Peart's fault) and to me the similarities are oblique at best, besides if you are looking for the originators of these kinds of ideas I suggest Fritz Lang's Metropolis and of course Orwells 1984. By the way Rush fans Syrinx...Styx...Syrinx...Styx...hmmmm I wonder. cheers ddy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Stynx just stink! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGr8imL84AD8inF8sBlackSedan Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Never knew there ever was a comparison of the two. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Never knew there ever was a comparison of the two.There isn't! Dennis probably made the whole thing up to "big up" his album... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat 3 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 With no disrespect to Styx fans, Styx, to me begins with "The Grand Illusion" and ends with "Pieces of Eight". Two fantastic albums. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 With no disrespect to Styx fans, Styx, to me begins with "The Grand Illusion" and ends with "Pieces of Eight". Two fantastic albums.Back in the early 80's my pals of the day used lump Pieces of Eight in with great albums by other bands, but Renegade and Queen of Spades are the only songs I like off it really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John V Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 What the f**k is any of this about? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pound of Obscure Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Dennis trying to stay relevant. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 What the f**k is any of this about?The sexual frustration of an balding 70's hasbeen? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatLightInYourEyes Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wait, wasn't there a bad video game featuring Aerosmith that had a sort of rock-music-is-outlawed-because-totalitarianism plot line? I'm sure USB would know of it. Hold on... *searches Internet* Ah, HERE'S the sucker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dscrapre Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wait, wasn't there a bad video game featuring Aerosmith that had a sort of rock-music-is-outlawed-because-totalitarianism plot line? I'm sure USB would know of it. Hold on... *searches Internet* Ah, HERE'S the sucker: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Revolution_X When I was 11 I wasted so many quarters playing that crap... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatLightInYourEyes Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wait, wasn't there a bad video game featuring Aerosmith that had a sort of rock-music-is-outlawed-because-totalitarianism plot line? I'm sure USB would know of it. Hold on... *searches Internet* Ah, HERE'S the sucker: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Revolution_X When I was 11 I wasted so many quarters playing that crap... Yeah, I remember looking at the machine once, reading the synopsis on the screen, and just walking away to play Ms. Pac Man. I think I was about nine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wait, wasn't there a bad video game featuring Aerosmith that had a sort of rock-music-is-outlawed-because-totalitarianism plot line? I'm sure USB would know of it. Hold on... *searches Internet* Ah, HERE'S the sucker: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Revolution_X When I was 11 I wasted so many quarters playing that crap... Yeah, I remember looking at the machine once, reading the synopsis on the screen, and just walking away to play Ms. Pac Man. I think I was about nine. By 1994 you should be walking away from anything with Aerosmith on the cover, or should it be Walk This Away...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatLightInYourEyes Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Wait, wasn't there a bad video game featuring Aerosmith that had a sort of rock-music-is-outlawed-because-totalitarianism plot line? I'm sure USB would know of it. Hold on... *searches Internet* Ah, HERE'S the sucker: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Revolution_X When I was 11 I wasted so many quarters playing that crap... Yeah, I remember looking at the machine once, reading the synopsis on the screen, and just walking away to play Ms. Pac Man. I think I was about thirteen. I was thirteen. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 With no disrespect to Styx fans, Styx, to me begins with "The Grand Illusion" and ends with "Pieces of Eight". Two fantastic albums.Yep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeminiRising79 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Most of the popular Styx songs have always sounded like pirate-themed music to me for some reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Styx was a tour mate for a bit on the 2112 and All The World's A Stage Tour. That's really the only connection I can make. I don't see much of a connection otherwise..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Tommy Shaw Styx = awesome. Better lyricist and singerDennis DeYoung Styx = various levels of suck. "Lorelei", anyone? Really? For the most part his lyrics were filled with gooey molten Velveeta. And his voice always grated on me a bit. Not the worst singer out there, but Shaw had a better voice for rock. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatLightInYourEyes Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 With no disrespect to Styx fans, Styx, to me begins with "The Grand Illusion" and ends with "Pieces of Eight". Two fantastic albums.Yep Yeah, they did great stuff up until they ate it with "Kilroy". That whole album just... wow. Painful. Like, this thing painful. --> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitboaf Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Tommy Shaw Styx = awesome. Better lyricist and singerDennis DeYoung Styx = various levels of suck. "Lorelei", anyone? Really? For the most part his lyrics were filled with gooey molten Velveeta. And his voice always grated on me a bit. Not the worst singer out there, but Shaw had a better voice for rock.Agree X 10I always hated Styx as a youngster, but was never sure why. It's this ^I watched Styx on TV recently (Ovation or maybe Palladia?), doing GI and Po8 in their entirety. Dennis De Young was not with the band, and it rocked just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatLightInYourEyes Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Found this on a Styx board. I'm a big fan of them, although Kilroy was not one of their more profound moments. For the record (pardon the pun), I NEVER saw any similarity between these two albums. DDY has a very annoying sense of "humor", so be prepared to groan a bit..... Clem =================== Over the years I have read that some people believe Kilroy Was Here was a rip off of Rush's album 2112. Mostly Rush fans. So today for the first time ever I looked up 2112 and read the plot line and song list(have I mentioned were in the grip of a polar vortex here and...I'm bored). Though I have great respect for Rush, I have never owned a Rush album and know them mostly from their songs that made the radio; Tom Sawyer, Fly by Night, Closer to the Heart. I was surprised to find that I didn't recognize any of the song titles on this album. I guess what I'm getting at is if there are ANY similarities between 2112 and Kilroy it's totally coincidental. Remember great minds think alike, unfortunately so do mediocre and stupid ones. Neil Peart who wrote the lyrics and story of 2112 based his concept on an Ayn Rand book entitled Anthem. He has since denounced his love of her writings and blamed it on the musings of his youth. I have never denounced Kilroy, but I do regret not making him Chinese given the way there world has turned. Thank you very much Mr Roboto in Chinese is Fei Chang Xie xie Xiansheng Ji Qi Ren, catchy huh, on second thought. Peart's vision of the future was about an intergalactic group of priests who utilize computers to dominate all areas of society kind of like the IRS but with zappers. On the other hand Dr. Righteous is simply a cable network owner whose part preacher and politician, though unelected. His goal is to simply ban rock music with a group of like minded anti first amendment thugs, increase his networks viewership and make himself rich. He even has his own brand of fried chicken. (He's Branding). In the original draft he was a failed rock musician who'd found the righteous path, so to speak. 2112 has the Red Star of the Solar Federation and the temple of the Syrinx. Neil's thinking big thinks here while Kilroy only has little old Dr Righteous and the Majority for Musical Morality. Wimpy by comparison. Hell Rush had the whole damn galaxy no wonder they are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Rush's hero finds a guitar learns how to play it and attempts to bring back the old ways but finds resistance from you know who, the Syrinx cat's. He becomes despondent and commits suicide. Bummer. In Kilroy Jonathan Chance has the guitar passed to him by his mentor Kilroy and vows to fight to keep rock alive. ("Damn it Kilroy"). Does he succeed, who knows, but it's hopeful. However if current music trends are any indication, Miley Cyrus's tongue, Lady Ga Ga's designer and Bruno Mars fancy footwork have done more to kill rock music then twenty Dr Righteous's. Face it kids Pop rules! I could keep blabbering on here but I noticed the sun just came out and it's nearly reached 10 degrees so in conclusion, I never ever knew anything about 2112 when I came up with the Kilroy concept (it would be fun to say it was all Neil Peart's fault) and to me the similarities are oblique at best, besides if you are looking for the originators of these kinds of ideas I suggest Fritz Lang's Metropolis and of course Orwells 1984. By the way Rush fans Syrinx...Styx...Syrinx...Styx...hmmmm I wonder. cheers ddy If Dennis and Neil ever decide to have a war of online opinion pieces over this, I beg everyone in SOCN's gun thread to please shoot me to pieces immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathory Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 dude just made this shit up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 To be honest, I'm not entirely that familiar with Styx. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narps Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 To be honest, I'm not entirely that familiar with Styx. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.Listen to The Grand Illusion. I don't see how anyone would not enjoy that album front to back. Pieces Of Eight is good too. Its not Rush or Yes in its complexity but its excellent rock and fun to listen to music in my humble opinion..... :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babycat Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 To be honest, I'm not entirely that familiar with Styx. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.Listen to The Grand Illusion. I don't see how anyone would not enjoy that album front to back. Pieces Of Eight is good too. Its not Rush or Yes in its complexity but its excellent rock and fun to listen to music in my humble opinion..... :)Will do. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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