TheWinslowOfWillowdale Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Maybe a dumb question, but do you "guys" think "2112" has any more of a significant meaning than it just being a time "relatively" far into the future? I.E., do you think Peart had a symbolic reason for choosing that number?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Good question...im anxious to read replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union 5-3992 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Like the number 42, likely no rhyme or reason. Seemed like a good enough number. Distant future, odd lookin' number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvander Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Well, perhaps in order to answer that question, one has to answer, why 2062 first? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvander Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 21:12 is military time for 9:12. 9/12 is September 12 = Neil Peart's birthday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancient Ways Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Neil is a time traveller. Therefore, the date is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdogged Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Maybe a dumb question, but do you "guys" think "2112" has any more of a significant meaning than it just being a time "relatively" far into the future? I.E., do you think Peart had a symbolic reason for choosing that number??Not a dumb question at all! I've often wondered "Why do they call a chair a chair or a shoe a shoe?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liana Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 21:12 is military time for 9:12. 9/12 is September 12 = Neil Peart's birthday. Now see I didn't think of it this way. Interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. 1812 + 300 = 2112 300 = 300 hours = 3:00 am = the time they usually went to bed back in those days..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusGal Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I think that it was nothing more than a rhythmic choice. 2112 - four syllables. I think it sounded good, it fit the music, it was in the future and so they went for it. Just my guess. (SWAG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken hawk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) 21:12 is military time for 9:12. 9/12 is September 12 = Neil Peart's birthday. Now see I didn't think of it this way. Interesting thought. How do you see it? Edited May 9, 2013 by Chicken hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaked Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION=21 WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL=12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushCanuck Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 They added 100 years to the end of the Mayan calendar to have all the attention to themselves come 2112. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvander Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 (edited) It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. This is the one I am most apt to believe. They had probably written the music before the title and 2112 is a "futuristic" 1812 in name just due to the musical theme and generic independence theme. Edited May 9, 2013 by mrvander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMCXII Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. This is the one I am most apt to believe. They had probably written the music before the title and 2112 is a "futuristic" 1812 in name just due to the musical theme and generic independence theme. Didn't terry brown or someone confirm this already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. This is the one I am most apt to believe. They had probably written the music before the title and 2112 is a "futuristic" 1812 in name just due to the musical theme and generic independence theme. Didn't terry brown or someone confirm this already?Don't think so. They added the 1812 Overture musical bit AFTER their parts were all written. So that kind of cancels out that otherwise good theory. I think VISUALLY the number '1' (even though there are two in this case) was important...i.e. the individual against the masses. Plus, the year itself is far enough (but not too far) in the future to dream that society has all gone to oppressive shit. My other idea on this involves Peart 'chasing the dragon' in a secluded cave in Alberta after the disappointing COS tour. 2112 is simply his documentation of that 'trip'. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 21:12 was the time on the clock when Peart was writing the lyrics, he liked the way it sounded and called the whole album after it. The rest is history and this is KISSTORY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrvander Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 It was far enough in the future, and ended in "12" so they could use the 1812 Overture tie in. This is the one I am most apt to believe. They had probably written the music before the title and 2112 is a "futuristic" 1812 in name just due to the musical theme and generic independence theme. Didn't terry brown or someone confirm this already?Don't think so. They added the 1812 Overture musical bit AFTER their parts were all written. So that kind of cancels out that otherwise good theory. Do we have any citations to either confirm or deny this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howye Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Neil may have also have read the Alfred Bester short story "Disappearing Act". A society is locked in an endless war and has only engineers and scientists left, and it turns out they need artists. The year, 2112. It is very much the type of story Neil may have run across in those years, and there are some thematic similarities. Just throwing it out there. You can find the story online. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb23 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In the year 2062, a galaxy-wide war results in the union of all planets under the rule of the Red Star of the Solar Federation. By 2112, the world is controlled by the "Priests of the Temples of Syrinx," who determine the content of all reading matter, songs, pictures - every facet of life.A man discovers an ancient guitar and learns to play his own music. Thinking he has made a wonderful discovery that will be a boon to humanity, he goes to present the guitar to the priests of the Temples, who angrily destroy it and rebuke him for unearthing one of the "silly whims" that caused the collapse of the previous civilization. He goes into hiding and dreams of a world before the Solar Federation. Upon awakening he becomes distraught and commits suicide. As he dies, another planetary battle begins resulting in the ambiguous ending "Attention all planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control." (This spoken section was created by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson reportedly "messing around with a tape recorder.") In the "VH1 Classic Albums" series about the album, Neil Peart confirmed that he intended the ending to be a happy one as the people of the Solar Federation are liberated. (Wikipedia) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In the year 2062, a galaxy-wide war results in the union of all planets under the rule of the Red Star of the Solar Federation. By 2112, the world is controlled by the "Priests of the Temples of Syrinx," who determine the content of all reading matter, songs, pictures - every facet of life.A man discovers an ancient guitar and learns to play his own music. Thinking he has made a wonderful discovery that will be a boon to humanity, he goes to present the guitar to the priests of the Temples, who angrily destroy it and rebuke him for unearthing one of the "silly whims" that caused the collapse of the previous civilization. He goes into hiding and dreams of a world before the Solar Federation. Upon awakening he becomes distraught and commits suicide. As he dies, another planetary battle begins resulting in the ambiguous ending "Attention all planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control." (This spoken section was created by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson reportedly "messing around with a tape recorder.") In the "VH1 Classic Albums" series about the album, Neil Peart confirmed that he intended the ending to be a happy one as the people of the Solar Federation are liberated. (Wikipedia) And this week's, "Totally Missing the Point of the OP" award goes to... ;) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost In Xanadu Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION=21 WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL=12 Chicken or egg here? Was this the reason for 2112, or were those lines made to fit into the pattern?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb23 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 la la la :) just bored waiting to leave work for the show tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaked Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATIONATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION=21 WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROLWE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL=12 Chicken or egg here? Was this the reason for 2112, or were those lines made to fit into the pattern?? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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