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#41 iluvgeddy05

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:41 PM

They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:41 PM)
They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

now there's a tune we haven't heard in a while.  schla03.gif  

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (zac2112 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:36 PM)
QUOTE (ZachenFoot @ Sep 9 2012, 07:18 PM)
I think it's miles ahead of the TMT setlist. Wow. I remember wanting to go in surprised since I was the fourth stop of the tour. Big mistake; Moving Pictures saved that show, but the entire first set was so bland and uninteresting to me, save Marathon.

I like everything about this set save for a couple minor shortcomings, but hey, it'll never be perfect.

couldnt disagree with your analysis more, liked the TM set list very much, good variety, different eras etc. But its what a fan forum is all about, discussions, debates its all good. I think its fine if someone wants to come on here and say CA set sucks! in fact i tend to agree but im still going to go, ill still have a blast, and hope i leave the show feeling differently! Hell ill still burn one with the nerds who think power windows is good Rush! Well maybe smile.gif

And hey, we can have a civil discussion about it! I'm not saying I felt screwed by it or that "ALL RUSH FANS DESERVED BETTER!" Just wasn't my cup of tea.

Glad you enjoyed your TMT experience!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:45 PM

QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Sep 9 2012, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:41 PM)
They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

now there's a tune we haven't heard in a while.  schla03.gif

Psh. I could listen to Alex's live solo in that everyday for the rest of my life. 1022.gif  

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:48 PM

QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 05:45 PM)
QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Sep 9 2012, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:41 PM)
They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

now there's a tune we haven't heard in a while.  schla03.gif

Psh. I could listen to Alex's live solo in that everyday for the rest of my life. 1022.gif

I probably could too, just glad I don't decide to even once a month wink.gif

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:45 PM)
QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Sep 9 2012, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:41 PM)
They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

now there's a tune we haven't heard in a while.  schla03.gif

Psh. I could listen to Alex's live solo in that everyday for the rest of my life. 1022.gif

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I so agree!

Hearing/seeing this live just blows me away time and after time after time.

Alex just kills on this.

This song, in my opinion, should always be on the setlist!

Edited by ReGorLaTroy, 09 September 2012 - 07:51 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:55 PM

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QUOTE (Astroboy2112 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:34 PM)
I dont believe the whole "they're not playing 70's songs cuz Geddy cant sing it" explanation. They are playing working man as well as Temples. Ged sang Circumstances & Bangkok on the S&A tour.

I believe the real reason is the LYRICS. They picked songs that best suited the concept of Clockwork Angels. All the songs being  played deal with social issues, humanism, man vs machine,etc  and match the themes explored on CA and it's novel. I think this whole show is ONE big concept show. Poster Dayglow explained really well on another thread.

You better believe that before it's all said and done they will play 2112 in it's entirety in a future tour. It's just that some of those songs old fans want dont fit the themes of CA and what they are triying to say TODAY.

This


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I agree in part.

Conceptually, however, the Clockwork Angels themes recapture the elements of many 70's songs.  Especially, Hemispheres (the struggle between the Anarchist and the Watchmaker visions of society and well as the differences between Crown City and Poseidon,  parallels the two civilizations set up by Dionysus and Apollo).  Also, The Trees has important similarities as the reason the Anarchist became who he is in part happened because he was exceptionally talented and rose above his classmates in the alchemists school and was "cut down" by the teachers who enforced mediocrity.  

Also, the whole of Clockwork Angels is very similar to The Fountain of Lamneth.  Including Deciding to Leave home (Didacts and Naperts) love interests (Panacaea and Halo Effect), a storm at sea (the Wreckers and No One at the Bridge), with the notable exception that in the end of the story, Owen Hardy finds the answer in the Garden while in TFOL, the hero finds the fountain but gets no answer.  

I could waffle on ad nauseum but probably too long already
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

Isn't it an absolute hypocrisy to complain about the lack of 70's material and then complain about the inclusion of Working Man?! Unbelievable!  

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 07:59 PM

QUOTE (ReGorLaTroy @ Sep 9 2012, 07:51 PM)
QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:45 PM)
QUOTE (ReflectedLight @ Sep 9 2012, 07:42 PM)
QUOTE (iluvgeddy05 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:41 PM)
They played Working Man.



Quite well too.

now there's a tune we haven't heard in a while.  schla03.gif

Psh. I could listen to Alex's live solo in that everyday for the rest of my life. 1022.gif

goodpost.gif

I so agree!

Hearing/seeing this live just blows me away time and after time after time.

Alex just kills on this.

This song, in my opinion, should always be on the setlist!

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Alex shreds.  I want to hear it.  Every time.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:02 PM

All their material has equal relevance even if you don't like a certain album or period. I've heard the 70s era ad nauseum. I like that era mind you but the 80s had some good material as well.

I see no reason why they shouldn't concentrate on the 80s when they've spent a good deal concentrating on the 70s.  

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Astroboy2112 @ Sep 9 2012, 05:56 PM)
Isn't it an absolute hypocrisy to complain about the lack of 70's material and then complain about the inclusion of Working Man?! Unbelievable!

No.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:18 PM

If you want old 70s stuff catch a Ted Nugent show at the County Fair.

You're a pissed off grumpy old man. And that's coming from someone who's 50.

Hey you, GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE (tullfan @ Sep 9 2012, 07:23 PM)
Rush gives their 70s fans a middle finger on the CA Tour. With ticket prices averaging $100.00 + this is what they do ? By what I can tell on this forum many of you are younger and have no problem with this, but you know what, Rush became popular during the 70s. Us older fans went to their shows, bought their albums, t shirts and tour books. Had a great time. This all came to a head when Moving Pictures came out and Rush was king. Record sales through the roof. All was well in Rushworld. Signals came out and was great and then they get the bright idea to not use Terry Brown and start dropping their epicness for a bunch of lame 80s records and set list that started the trend of completely ignoring their past along with a segment of their fan base, you know, the ones they gained their popularity on. It's very insulting to do this to the fans that got them there, but apparently there are other generations after who seem to love their post 1985 stuff. That's fine, I just think that Rush could put aside 45 minutes in their set list to please the older fans. After all that is the least they could do and they #!#@%ing know it. Instead they take the "This is what we are going to do and we can care less about the fans" attitude. O.K. fine. I give up. I will not be going to this show. The first Rush tour I will miss since the Hemispheres Tour. I was a diehard and they threw fans like me under the bus. I'm sick of it !!!!!!!!!!! Must be nice making tons of money playing a bunch of songs some of us don't want to hear, oh and by the way, make sure no one steals your t-shirt money Rush because you don't make any on the concert ticket. Give me a #$@%ing break.

If you're that butthurt dont go!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:22 PM

QUOTE (tullfan @ Sep 9 2012, 06:23 PM)
Rush gives their 70s fans a middle finger on the CA Tour. With ticket prices averaging $100.00 + this is what they do ? By what I can tell on this forum many of you are younger and have no problem with this, but you know what, Rush became popular during the 70s. Us older fans went to their shows, bought their albums, t shirts and tour books. Had a great time. This all came to a head when Moving Pictures came out and Rush was king. Record sales through the roof. All was well in Rushworld. Signals came out and was great and then they get the bright idea to not use Terry Brown and start dropping their epicness for a bunch of lame 80s records and set list that started the trend of completely ignoring their past along with a segment of their fan base, you know, the ones they gained their popularity on. It's very insulting to do this to the fans that got them there, but apparently there are other generations after who seem to love their post 1985 stuff. That's fine, I just think that Rush could put aside 45 minutes in their set list to please the older fans. After all that is the least they could do and they #!#@%ing know it. Instead they take the "This is what we are going to do and we can care less about the fans" attitude. O.K. fine. I give up. I will not be going to this show. The first Rush tour I will miss since the Hemispheres Tour. I was a diehard and they threw fans like me under the bus. I'm sick of it !!!!!!!!!!! Must be nice making tons of money playing a bunch of songs some of us don't want to hear, oh and by the way, make sure no one steals your t-shirt money Rush because you don't make any on the concert ticket. Give me a #$@%ing break.

f**k you. You're REALLY f***ing selfish!

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Sep 9 2012, 08:02 PM)
All their material has equal relevance even if you don't like a certain album or period. I've heard the 70s era ad nauseum. I like that era mind you but the 80s had some good material as well.

I see no reason why they shouldn't concentrate on the 80s when they've spent a good deal concentrating on the 70s.

I would have liked more 70s, but I love the 80s songs they chose.  You make a valid point.  They played stuff they haven't in a LONG while and that's a good thing.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (tullfan @ Sep 9 2012, 06:23 PM)
Rush gives their 70s fans a middle finger on the CA Tour. With ticket prices averaging $100.00 + this is what they do ? By what I can tell on this forum many of you are younger and have no problem with this, but you know what, Rush became popular during the 70s. Us older fans went to their shows, bought their albums, t shirts and tour books. Had a great time. This all came to a head when Moving Pictures came out and Rush was king. Record sales through the roof. All was well in Rushworld. Signals came out and was great and then they get the bright idea to not use Terry Brown and start dropping their epicness for a bunch of lame 80s records and set list that started the trend of completely ignoring their past along with a segment of their fan base, you know, the ones they gained their popularity on. It's very insulting to do this to the fans that got them there, but apparently there are other generations after who seem to love their post 1985 stuff. That's fine, I just think that Rush could put aside 45 minutes in their set list to please the older fans. After all that is the least they could do and they #!#@%ing know it. Instead they take the "This is what we are going to do and we can care less about the fans" attitude. O.K. fine. I give up. I will not be going to this show. The first Rush tour I will miss since the Hemispheres Tour. I was a diehard and they threw fans like me under the bus. I'm sick of it !!!!!!!!!!! Must be nice making tons of money playing a bunch of songs some of us don't want to hear, oh and by the way, make sure no one steals your t-shirt money Rush because you don't make any on the concert ticket. Give me a #$@%ing break.

I too am an old guy that first listened to RUSH in middle school, which had to be 1976-77. I loved the early blues-based stuff and everything after that.

I would love to see By-Tor and Hemispheres and all the great old stuff, that's what I was praying for on this tour. But as the setlist unfolded I was literally giddy during the first set (except for Far Cry AGAIN). Those 80's tunes have grown on me over the years and although they were pretty synth heavy, in my mind they actually possess some of the tightest bass by Ged and incredible drum arrangements. HYF being the highlight of this period to me.

ANyway, the setlist is never perfect for me either, but I am so happy to be a fan and one of the 'in crowd' that still follows them. Of course CA is amazing and their best since HYF or MP/PW for that matter.

Can't wait to see them!




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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:46 PM

You know, if you don't like it don't go. There are obviously quite a few people who would like to go. If you already bought a ticket, put it on stub hub or try to sell it at the venue.

With 20 studio album, including one that they are promoting, there is a wealth of material to choose from. They have mixed it up nicely IMO over the last decade. Thank God they are still touring.

I am an old fart who sat through 7 out of 8 tunes from PoW, 6 out of 10 tunes on HYF, etc... New album means new tunes. Whatever they pick to fill the rest is good with me. They spoiled us a bit with R30 and TM and S&A for that matter. This tour excites me for two reasons. CA and the songs I haven't heard in a while. The least exciting part for me is going to be the last 3 songs. I'm still excited to see it though.

I was afraid that HYF would be the last time I saw Rush because there was a rumor that Alex was unhappy and threatening to call it a day. Ditto 1997. I thought they were done and Different Stages would be the last album. I am in my forties and still anticipating a tour while listening to a new album.

Play whatever you want Rush. I won't complain. If you want to, go ahead. I will take your seat.

Rant over...

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:48 PM

Hey now.. watch that "us". I like the set. Leave me out of your group.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:49 PM

QUOTE (Animate @ Sep 9 2012, 07:55 PM)
QUOTE (Gedneil Alpeart @ Sep 9 2012, 07:38 PM)
QUOTE (Astroboy2112 @ Sep 9 2012, 07:34 PM)
I dont believe the whole "they're not playing 70's songs cuz Geddy cant sing it" explanation. They are playing working man as well as Temples. Ged sang Circumstances & Bangkok on the S&A tour.

I believe the real reason is the LYRICS. They picked songs that best suited the concept of Clockwork Angels. All the songs being  played deal with social issues, humanism, man vs machine,etc  and match the themes explored on CA and it's novel. I think this whole show is ONE big concept show. Poster Dayglow explained really well on another thread.

You better believe that before it's all said and done they will play 2112 in it's entirety in a future tour. It's just that some of those songs old fans want dont fit the themes of CA and what they are triying to say TODAY.

This


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I agree in part.

Conceptually, however, the Clockwork Angels themes recapture the elements of many 70's songs.  Especially, Hemispheres (the struggle between the Anarchist and the Watchmaker visions of society and well as the differences between Crown City and Poseidon,  parallels the two civilizations set up by Dionysus and Apollo).  Also, The Trees has important similarities as the reason the Anarchist became who he is in part happened because he was exceptionally talented and rose above his classmates in the alchemists school and was "cut down" by the teachers who enforced mediocrity.  

Also, the whole of Clockwork Angels is very similar to The Fountain of Lamneth.  Including Deciding to Leave home (Didacts and Naperts) love interests (Panacaea and Halo Effect), a storm at sea (the Wreckers and No One at the Bridge), with the notable exception that in the end of the story, Owen Hardy finds the answer in the Garden while in TFOL, the hero finds the fountain but gets no answer.  

I could waffle on ad nauseum but probably too long already
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Thats pretty cool with TFOL and the garden. Almost like the garden is the sequel to it.

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Posted 09 September 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (micgtr71 @ Sep 9 2012, 08:46 PM)
You know, if you don't like it don't go. There are obviously quite a few people who would like to go. If you already bought a ticket, put it on stub hub or try to sell it at the venue.

With 20 studio album, including one that they are promoting, there is a wealth of material to choose from. They have mixed it up nicely IMO over the last decade. Thank God they are still touring.

I am an old fart who sat through 7 out of 8 tunes from PoW, 6 out of 10 tunes on HYF, etc... New album means new tunes. Whatever they pick to fill the rest is good with me. They spoiled us a bit with R30 and TM and S&A for that matter. This tour excites me for two reasons. CA and the songs I haven't heard in a while. The least exciting part for me is going to be the last 3 songs. I'm still excited to see it though.

I was afraid that HYF would be the last time I saw Rush because there was a rumor that Alex was unhappy and threatening to call it a day. Ditto 1997. I thought they were done and Different Stages would be the last album. I am in my forties and still anticipating a tour while listening to a new album.

Play whatever you want Rush. I won't complain. If you want to, go ahead. I will take your seat.

Rant over...

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