CantStopThinkingBig Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Can someone explain this story to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrowSnake Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 http://www.therushforum.com/index.php?showtopic=74766&st=40 I think The Watchmaker definitely represents a higher power in control. The fact that Neil chose to name this power "The Watchmaker" is not accidental. It means that The Watchmaker can also be seen as the idea of a God, or organised religion. The Watchmaker is clearly a nod to the "Watchmaker analogy" which originally was an argument for the existence of God. It states that an intelligent design like the universe must have been designed by someone, like a watch was made by a watchmaker. But Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins came up with theories where a design is not necessary. (Evolution). Therefore denying the existence of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucsteve667 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 he left it a bit ambiguous for people to make their own idea of what the "Watchmaker" is in their life, is my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack jaw gaze Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 He's going to end up being more like the Wizard of Oz than a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (Slack jaw gaze @ Jun 24 2012, 03:06 PM) He's going to end up being more like the Wizard of Oz than a god. I agree. I think he's a tyrant not a god. But it is left ambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3strukt Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The Watchmaker is the Watchmaker. Simple. Everyone likes to have something to compare it to. But what if there IS nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucsteve667 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jun 24 2012, 04:23 PM) The Watchmaker is the Watchmaker. Simple. Everyone likes to have something to compare it to. But what if there IS nothing? cant think of too many songs from them that mean nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakly Criminal Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (ucsteve667 @ Jun 24 2012, 03:25 PM) QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jun 24 2012, 04:23 PM) The Watchmaker is the Watchmaker. Simple. Everyone likes to have something to compare it to. But what if there IS nothing? cant think of too many songs from them that mean nothing Mal Nar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucsteve667 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (Weakly Criminal @ Jun 24 2012, 04:29 PM) QUOTE (ucsteve667 @ Jun 24 2012, 03:25 PM) QUOTE (D3strukt @ Jun 24 2012, 04:23 PM) The Watchmaker is the Watchmaker. Simple. Everyone likes to have something to compare it to. But what if there IS nothing? cant think of too many songs from them that mean nothing Mal Nar? means something to me.... but the point was lyrically inclined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrowSnake Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The Watchmaker analogy is a very well known teleological argument (which I explained in my post above). The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design is a very famous book by the British ethologist and atheist Richard Dawkins. Neil Peart reads many books. He must know about The Watchmaker Analogy and the book by Dawkins. Peart using the name Watchmaker is not a coincidence I think. Isn't this obvious? Or am I crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (ArrowSnake @ Jun 24 2012, 04:50 PM) The Watchmaker analogy is a very well known teleological argument (which I explained in my post above). The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design is a very famous book by the British ethologist and atheist Richard Dawkins. Neil Peart reads many books. He must know about The Watchmaker Analogy and the book by Dawkins. Peart using the name Watchmaker is not a coincidence I think. Isn't this obvious? Or am I crazy? Very much intentional. You are doing a fine job explaining this to others who have not heard of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briremo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The watchmaker is time itself. It is ever-present. It guides our decisions. It never relents. Time loves us all to death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briremo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 QUOTE (ArrowSnake @ Jun 24 2012, 04:50 PM) The Watchmaker analogy is a very well known teleological argument (which I explained in my post above). The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design is a very famous book by the British ethologist and atheist Richard Dawkins. Neil Peart reads many books. He must know about The Watchmaker Analogy and the book by Dawkins. Peart using the name Watchmaker is not a coincidence I think. Isn't this obvious? Or am I crazy? Maybe I should read books too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack jaw gaze Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Since there is a literal watchmaker in the story playing the role of an analogy, he must be fake to some degree. i.e. the Wizard of Oz comparison. Do you think Neil will have a real god in his story? Another name for the Watchmaker Analogy is the Watchmaker Fallacy. I predict a short, bald guy behind a curtain and steam driven Clockwork Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro2112 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The Watchmaker is Moshe Eisenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchemingDemon Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I like how Neil made The Watchmaker fairly ambiguous. There's a few good theories here already. I personally can't wait to read the book to see exactly how it's outlined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat 3 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto-digitation Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 It's either God or George Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack jaw gaze Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I think the "they move like living things" line is a clear indication about the fake angels and watchmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowItIs Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (Slack jaw gaze @ Jun 24 2012, 05:58 PM) I think the "they move like living things" line is a clear indication about the fake angels and watchmaker. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unattractive Truth Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I am the Watchmaker. Coo Coo Ca Choo And by the way, you're all irritating the crap out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly D Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 QUOTE (briremo @ Jun 24 2012, 07:23 PM) The watchmaker is time itself. It is ever-present. It guides our decisions. It never relents. Time loves us all to death Woah. Woah. O_O Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Rebel Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Stars aglow like scattered sparks Span the sky in clockwork arcs Hint at more than we can see Spiritual machinery HINT! To me it holds the greatest irony of any Rush song in that it is evangelical. But I always wondered, if this is a Clockwork Angel I have some questions. Does God make Angels work? Kind of sucks if they have to ya know. Or is this guy just a possible product of evolution? Maybe it's simply a slave to the Watchmaker. Or is this how God turns the clock and makes time move? http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/yangster1020/rush%20stuff/SALworkinangels1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Megadon Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Second cousin to the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandydog Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Here ya go!~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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