Texas King, on 12 August 2020 - 12:12 PM, said:
Entre_Perpetuo, on 12 August 2020 - 10:09 AM, said:
A big old yes from me. World's best drummer and best bassist complimented by the world's most underrated guitarist, not to mention as a songwriting team they can best just about anyone who wasn't a Beatle. I'm sorry DT, KC, RTF.... close but no cigar.
Who is RTF? I suppose KC is King Crimson?
I have to disagree with your statement that Peart is the best drummer ever because they are/were a few jazz guys who could easily beat him anytime, Buddy Rich being the most notable of them. Also it's debatable whether Geddy is the best bassist, because The Ox (and Victor Wooten, Jaco Pastorius, Les Claypool, Chris Squire) exists.
And how can you be sure Rush are superior/more talented musicians than e.g. Yes (such a strong quartet Howe + Wakeman + Bruford + Squire)?
RTF is Return To Forever. KC is King Crimson. And I just disagree that even the notorious Buddy Rich could beat Peart, or that Jaco or Les have an advantage on Ged. They're all top of the top players for sure, but to me, Rush just is that top, and songwriting is still a huge factor that I don't think most other virtuoso players come close to Rush on.
I'll grant you this though. Obviously there are players who are more technically proficient than Geddy, Alex, and Neil. The odds are that the greatest bass player of all time was never even recorded seeing as recording technology has only been around for a fraction of the time that the string bass has been. That's just statistics. And that's not to mention the hundreds of jaw dropping technical showcase players that have been recorded by YouTube and Instagram in the past 15 years. To me though, technical proficiency does not equal talent. For example, in the movie Whiplash, the ability to play a double time swing beat at something like 400 bpm is held up as this "be all, end all" of jazz drumming. If you couldn't play it right in the movie, you were a talentless hack who didn't belong on stage with the best university jazz ensemble in the world.
In real life, being able to play that fast is perhaps a valuable skill for a pro player in a top band, but it's not a black and white test of one's talent. If all music is to a player is a competition to become more and more technically proficient, that player may very well miss out on the art of the matter. Take a look at the Beatles or the Stones. Often regarded as some of the greatest songwriters and most all around talented musicians of all time despite blatantly obvious technical shortcomings from every member of either band. Keith couldn't sweep pick to save his life, and Ringo will probably never play 6:00 by Dream Theater. Likewise, Petrucci and Portnoy (though they are exceptional songwriters for their style and have brushed success with more conventional pop songs before) will not be writing Something or Angie anytime soon, and if someone brought either of them a song of that caliber, they would likely never play quite as tastefully on it as Ringo or Keith would.
So where does all of this put Rush? Subjectively speaking, I think Rush land right at the top of the pile when you look at talent holistically. Technically they're some of most skilled players of all time, artistically they're one of the most creative and effective songwriting units of all time, and as performers their unmatched live reputation precedes them for good reason. I believe they are the most talented because they have the whole package, and I struggle to think of another band I would say that about.