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#1 Lost In Xanadu

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 08:39 AM

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Searching the Internet... This is what I have seen:

1. Caravan(5:40) - Sulphur
2. BU2B(5:10) - Anneal
3. Clockwork Angels(7:31) - mercury
4. The Anarchist(6:52) - ?
5. Carnies(4:52) - Zinc
6. Halo Effect(3:14) - ?
7. Seven Cities Of Gold(6:32) - multiplication
8. The Wreckers(5:01) - essense
9. Headlong Flight(7:20) - Neptune
10. BU2B2(1:28) - tin
11. Wish Them Well(5:25) - water
12. The Garden(6:59) - copper

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:06 PM

This was posted over at Counterparts back when these symbols first came out.  I thought it might be worth re-posting here.  Keep in mind, the numbers shown below are not the track numbers, but the clock face position.

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The Time Machine Symbols Revealed
~ by GhostWorks ~

In my research I found almost all of these in comprehensive alchemical symbol dictionaries. Here, then, are the Symbols defined by their placement on the gearwheel clock (pictured below).


12 Copper

1 Sulphur

2 Annealing

3 Mercury

4 Winter

5 Zinc

6 Sun

7 Aqua

8 Oil Essence

9 Neptune

10 Gold

11 Earth

And now, the details:

12 O'Clock > Copper: The elemental alchemy symbol for copper is also the planetary symbol for Venus. As such, this symbol embodies such characteristics as love, balance, feminine beauty, and artistic creativity.
source > http://www.whats-you...my-symbols.html


1 O'Clock > Sulphur: Inside gold is the alchemical Sun. Inside the Sun is an active substance, sulfur. Sometimes alchemists equal sulfur with the Sun. Sulfur is the spirit of life. Sulfur is of a two-fold nature: white and red sulfur. White sulfur is the substance of the Great Work at the phase of Whiteness, and red sulfur at the stage of redness.

In general sulfur is the symbol for the active principle in the Great Work.
source > http://www.soul-guid...n/alchemy_5.htm


2 O'Clock > Annealing: Purification by fire
source > http://www.purplehel...ols/alchemy.htm

Also of note: Geddy Lee (Leo) - Leo's element is fire


3 O'Clock > Mercury: ... alchemists would heat elemental mercury with nitric acid to prepare mercuric oxide. The reaction produced a thick red vapor which hovered over the surface of the solution, while the mercuric oxide precipitated and fell to the bottom of the liquid in the form of bright red crystals. Mercury was believed to transcend the liquid and solid states. The belief carried over into other areas, as mercury was thought to transcend life/death and heaven/earth.
source > http://chemistry.abo...a/alchemyhg.htm

Also of note: Mercury is the ruling planet of Virgo (both Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart are Virgos)


4 O'Clock > Winter: An old Germanic time sign for winter...
source > http://www.symbols.c...ia/06/0615.html


5 O'Clock: > Zinc (AL) Philosophers' wool, or nix alba (white snow) was zinc oxide made by burning zinc in air.
source > http://www.ancient-s...my_symbols.html


6 O'Clock > Sun (or Gold*): Often interchangeable - many reference guides show multiple Symbols for both and/or same Symbols with either name. I'm assuming Sun is what was intended in this case, as Gold is assuredly the 10 O' Clock symbol.
- gw

Also of note: Geddy Lee (Leo) - Leo's ruling 'planet' is the Sun


7 O'Clock > Aqua or Aquarius: Water, of course.


8 O'Clock > Oil Essence: Spagyric is a name given to the production of herbal medicines using alchemical procedures. These procedures involve fermentation, distillation and the extraction of mineral components from the ash of the plant. These processes were in use in medieval alchemy generally for the separation and purification of metals from ores (see Calcination), and salts from brines and other aqueous solutions.
source > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spagyric


9 O'Clock > Neptune (also Nirvana): Neptune, the planet of deception and spiritual enlightenment, rules the oppressed and abandoned: the misfits of society. On a higher level he rules visionaries, and those who are glamorous and charismatic. Neptune represents spirituality, mysticism, and ideals.
source > http://www.astrology...om/neptune.html

Also: ...Neptune is also supposed to rule plants used for the purpose of intoxication, such as Indian hemp, i.e. marijuana, the coca bush, the opium poppy, the peyote cactus, and the psilocybine mushroom. Anatomically thy symbol rules such bodily functions as the pineal glands and those parts of the nervous system that are sensitive to psychic impulses and related to the aura.

Everything with boundaries that are in one way or another undefined or unclear is ruled by this planet, for instance, gases, dreams, fantasy, vague hunches, etc. It is the symbol for escapism, drug intoxication, and glamour, as well as for high ideals and ideal love.
source > http://www.symbols.c...dia/05/057.html


10 O'Clock > Gold: Gold is one of the seven metals of alchemy (gold, silver, mercury, copper, lead, iron & tin). For the alchemist, it represented the perfection of all matter on any level, including that of the mind, spirit, and soul. The symbol for gold could also be used to represent the sun in astrology.
source > http://www.alchemyla.../dictionary.htm


11 O'Clock > Earth: Earth is one of the Four Elements of alchemy. Earth in the alchemical sense carries the archetypal properties of manifestation, birth, and material creation.
source > www.alchemylab.com/dictionary.htm

...earth was associated with dry, cold, and melancholy.
http://chemistry.abo...hemy-Symbol.htm

Also of note: both Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart are Virgos - Virgo's element is Earth

And: The symbol in the Rush logo itself (the letter 'U') is actually the alchemical symbol for Amalgamation:  "a mixture, merger or consolidation" and "amalgamation combines mercury and another element..."

Also of note: Mercury = Virgo = Peart & Lifeson and Sun = Leo = Lee (so another nod to the 'togetherness' of the band etc.)


I think 1 should be Brimstone, instead of Sulphur. I know they are basically the same thing, but I think Brimstone is more often associated with the Soul rather than the Sun. (BU2B falls here) Then given the "trial by fire" at 2 O'clock is followed by the 3 O'clock transcending . . . dunno, just seems to fit better as Brimstone. And, it sounds cooler.

Then, the near death of Winter, followed by the rebirth, washed white as snow and, the Sun (giver of life), washed in the water at 7 and separating the impurities at 8, leads to Neptune (or the NEP tune, as Neil Ellwood Peart is the one who is spiritually in tune) followed by perfect Gold here on Earth.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:39 PM

3 O'Clock > Mercury: ... alchemists would heat elemental mercury with nitric acid to prepare mercuric oxide. The reaction produced a thick red vapor which hovered over the surface of the solution



Is this where we get the cover from?

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 12:39 PM)
3 O'Clock > Mercury: ... alchemists would heat elemental mercury with nitric acid to prepare mercuric oxide. The reaction produced a thick red vapor which hovered over the surface of the solution



Is this where we get the cover from?

Dunno, could be.

When Caravan came out, I thought the 3 o'clock time, in addtion to being the "3" band members, pointing to Mercury was a subtle jab at their former label.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 06:39 PM)
3 O'Clock > Mercury: ... alchemists would heat elemental mercury with nitric acid to prepare mercuric oxide. The reaction produced a thick red vapor which hovered over the surface of the solution



Is this where we get the cover from?

I was wondering that.... Maybe.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:19 PM

I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:19 PM)
I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

Mmmmmm...  Alchemical Rush tattoo!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

I was looking mostly here...
http://alchemicaldiagrams.blogspot.com/201...anings.html?m=1


Some symbols look very similar  eh.gif  

Edited by Lost In Xanadu, 13 April 2012 - 02:40 PM.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:42 PM

I can't believe there is a symbol for Manure  laugh.gif  

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:44 PM

There's a bunch of bands that have used this same concept, although I cant think of any off hand that used a symbol for each specific song. That's kind of why I was surprised Hugh went with this concept, it's been used a LOT.

What I'm wondering though is if the symbols meanings have a direct link with each songs lyrics.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE (trenken @ Apr 13 2012, 02:44 PM)
There's a bunch of bands that have used this same concept, although I cant think of any off hand that used a symbol for each specific song. That's kind of why I was surprised Hugh went with this concept, it's been used a LOT.

What I'm wondering though is if the symbols meanings have a direct link with each songs lyrics.

I thought the symbols were chosen for their meaning and relation to the song. I believe there was in interview on RIAB that mentioned this

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:49 PM

QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:42 PM)
I can't believe there is a symbol for Manure  laugh.gif

And Urine as well. The haters can have their own symbols.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:29 PM

QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:19 PM)
I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

Neptune is very specific to Neil, as he mentioned in what he wrote a while back.

Nep - tune.  NEP - tune. N-eil E-lwood P-eart tune. A tune for NEP. A Neptune.

So, unless Geddy and Alex's initials are another one of those symbols, there's not a fit already.  However, it wouldn't surprise me to see them adopt the 3 and 6 positions for tour shirts or set dressing or something on the website, just for symmetry with Neil.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:33 PM

Great, this thread is turning into a science lesson. laugh.gif

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:34 PM

Don't worry. Somebody will start new threads for each symbol in the next day or two.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:35 PM

QUOTE (Rush-O-Matic @ Apr 13 2012, 03:34 PM)
Don't worry. Somebody will start new threads for each symbol in the next day or two.

Oi, that reminds me...

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Merely Space @ Apr 13 2012, 02:25 PM)
QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:19 PM)
I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

Mmmmmm...  Alchemical Rush tattoo!

If I ever get a tattoo, it's going to be that 3R with amalgamation symbol that showed up on their last tour.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:58 AM

QUOTE (1 of the 7 @ Apr 14 2012, 09:37 PM)
QUOTE (Merely Space @ Apr 13 2012, 02:25 PM)
QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:19 PM)
I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

Mmmmmm...  Alchemical Rush tattoo!

If I ever get a tattoo, it's going to be that 3R with amalgamation symbol that showed up on their last tour.

That would be sweet!


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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

QUOTE (Rush-O-Matic @ Apr 13 2012, 03:29 PM)
QUOTE (gornhay @ Apr 13 2012, 02:19 PM)
I notice NP seems to have adopted the Neptune symbol on his website. Does that mean Geddy and Alex will have their own symbol too?

How very Led Zep / Kiss, bet the Tattoo parlours can't wait.

Neptune is very specific to Neil, as he mentioned in what he wrote a while back.

Nep - tune.  NEP - tune. N-eil E-lwood P-eart tune. A tune for NEP. A Neptune.

So, unless Geddy and Alex's initials are another one of those symbols, there's not a fit already.  However, it wouldn't surprise me to see them adopt the 3 and 6 positions for tour shirts or set dressing or something on the website, just for symmetry with Neil.

I'm hoping they'll each be wearing giant foam rubber alchemical symbol costumes for the tour, a la Spinal Tap.

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:02 AM

new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif Great research   by who ever  BUT thanks RUSH-O-Matic  for posting.

Edited by Chicken hawk, 15 April 2012 - 09:03 AM.





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