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#41 EmotionDetector

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:15 AM

QUOTE (liddybuck01 @ Jan 12 2012, 09:30 AM)
Neil is just doing what so many of us without religion try to do. get people to stop believing in man made story books and use some damn logic and reasoning. i, like Neil, go out of my way to make fun of Christianity. why? because it's ridiculous.

Wow...what a humanitarian.  sarcasm.gif  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:20 AM

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Can't this guy for just one second quit forcing his personal beliefs on people?

Well, it is possible that he felt he had to explain the Christmas tree, dinner, presents, etc., seeing as we know he doesn't follow a christian belief system.

That was my take on it as well.  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 12 2012, 08:50 AM)
You have very valid views on things, but some people (myself included) just get bothered by some of the lyrics.  That's just the way it is.  It's not a matter of not accepting other viewpoints.  I'm fine with those views, I just find it completely obnoxious in a Rush song.

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Exactly. I don't care about Neil's personal views...he can believe what he wants to believe.

The issue is that they are taking over RUSH songs. I'm sure he's ALWAYS believed this way, and yet, only NOW...almost 40 years as a band, he is flooding albums with direct shots at it. Also, it was one thing with S&A as that was the basis for the album. But if he continues to extend it into CA, I'm going to start to question whether Neil's well is running dry.

Like Goober said, it gets obnoxious in Rush songs, and I would feel the same if he was writing from the other side. In fact, LIVE started doing that in the later years, and I can't say I was crazy about it either.

Also for the record, I absolutely LOVE BU2B...it's one of my favourite Rush songs in a very long time, and I happen to have very different 'views' than Neil.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:32 AM

QUOTE (EmotionDetector @ Jan 12 2012, 09:23 AM)
QUOTE (rushgoober @ Jan 12 2012, 08:50 AM)
You have very valid views on things, but some people (myself included) just get bothered by some of the lyrics.  That's just the way it is.  It's not a matter of not accepting other viewpoints.  I'm fine with those views, I just find it completely obnoxious in a Rush song.

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Exactly. I don't care about Neil's personal views...he can believe what he wants to believe.

The issue is that they are taking over RUSH songs. I'm sure he's ALWAYS believed this way, and yet, only NOW...almost 40 years as a band, he is flooding albums with direct shots at it. Also, it was one thing with S&A as that was the basis for the album. But if he continues to extend it into CA, I'm going to start to question whether Neil's well is running dry.

Like Goober said, it gets obnoxious in Rush songs, and I would feel the same if he was writing from the other side. In fact, LIVE started doing that in the later years, and I can't say I was crazy about it either.

Also for the record, I absolutely LOVE BU2B...it's one of my favourite Rush songs in a very long time, and I happen to have very different 'views' than Neil.

After S&A, and now BU2B, you're wondering if the well has run dry?

As far as Live, they kind of did a total 180. They went from being hardcore against organized religion like Neil, to becoming a band all about preaching the beauty of god. I got real tired of it. They were better when they were angry during their first 3 albums. They broke up anyway so who cares.

Neil never went through that transition. He still feels the same way about it now as he did decades ago. In fact with S&A it seems now he's even more malicious, going as far as calling religious people names like a child in some S&A songs. Dedicating an entire album to it too, where in the past it was just a song here and there, so it's starting to get worse.

And with the lyrics from BU2B, he's NOT letting go of this. In fact it seems like it's all he can write about these days. So when CA comes out if its another religious shit fest, then Ill just listen to the music and the melodies and just not even care about the lyrics. At this point he is so far away from being my favorite lyricist that it doesnt even matter to me what he writes about anymore. His best work is looooooong behind him.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 09:59 AM

QUOTE (liddybuck01 @ Jan 12 2012, 08:30 AM)
Neil is just doing what so many of us without religion try to do. get people to stop believing in man made story books and use some damn logic and reasoning. i, like Neil, go out of my way to make fun of Christianity. why? because it's ridiculous.

It's his blog, his lyrics, his books, etc. he can and will write about whatever he wants. if that includes bashing on your religion, so be it. it's his right. if you don't like, STOP READING.

WOW!  What a GREAT way to show love!  Insult someone's belief and belittle them!!

Can't believe how idiotic some people can be.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:07 AM

Oh man, I was looking forward to reading about this in his next book... now you spoiled the surprise for me.  sarcasm.gif  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 12 2012, 03:05 AM)
I really wish that the people who hate Neil and his beliefs - or lack thereof - would just ignore any thread mentioning his name. Really. It's so very tedious to read the same whining over and over again. The guy doesn't believe like you do: DEAL WITH IT and move on. /rant




"I really wish that NEIL, who hates Christians and their beliefs, would just ignore any book or song or statement that mentions Jesus's name.  Really.  It's so very tedious to read the same whining over and over again.  Christians don't believe like Neil does: DEAL WITH IT and move on NEIL."

Hence the hypocrisy.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:38 AM

QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 12 2012, 03:05 AM)
I really wish that the people who hate Neil and his beliefs - or lack thereof - would just ignore any thread mentioning his name. Really. It's so very tedious to read the same whining over and over again. The guy doesn't believe like you do: DEAL WITH IT and move on. /rant


Sadly enough, Neil keeps bringing it up. He can't seem not to. Its not TRFers that won't move on , its him.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:39 AM

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QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 12 2012, 04:05 AM)
The guy doesn't believe like you do: DEAL WITH IT and move on. /rant



I tend to agree here although I would say quietly accept it.

What I dislike most about this whole "his beliefes" thing is that it has kinda marred the complete level of love shared by  2.gif  fans.

Agreed.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:47 AM

What I can't figure out is why he points out that Christians stole the "pagan tree" yet he, a self-proclaimed linear thinking agnostic, is doing the same thing and topping it with a Christian angel?

I guess Jews stole the pagan holiday too since Hanukkah falls, coincidentally, around that same time.

What "reason" is he applying here?

Seems to me that if you don't believe in deities, you wouldn't be taking part in any activity that derives from religious beliefs.

As for me, I couldn't care less if he's atheist, agnostic, or religious. Just stop belaboring the issue in every blog post.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Pound of Obscure @ Jan 12 2012, 10:38 AM)
QUOTE (HowItIs @ Jan 12 2012, 03:05 AM)
I really wish that the people who hate Neil and his beliefs - or lack thereof - would just ignore any thread mentioning his name. Really. It's so very tedious to read the same whining over and over again. The guy doesn't believe like you do: DEAL WITH IT and move on. /rant


Sadly enough, Neil keeps bringing it up. He can't seem not to. Its not TRFers that won't move on , its him.

Yep thats the real issue. This would NOT be happening here if Neil wasnt the one that was harping on it in so many songs, and now consecutive albums.

So when he comes up here, naturally it's going to get discussed. There's no way around that and it won't stop until he does.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

Although I do actually share some of the same beliefs as Neil, what I don't share with him is a dislike for people of religion. He actually thinks they are delusional and crazy, and although I'm not religious, I do view it as something that can be very positive for people.

I would never attack any believer. That's just not right to me. And not only does he do it, but he does it on a very public stage, and even outside of the band in his blog and books. It's a major agenda for him, so its just never going to end on these boards at this point.

For those that dont like people talking about it, all you can do is just ignore it click the back button. Or just skim past those posts. Problem solved.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Jan 12 2012, 08:47 AM)
What I can't figure out is why he points out that Christians stole the "pagan tree" yet he, a self-proclaimed linear thinking agnostic, is doing the same thing and topping it with a Christian angel?

I guess Jews stole the pagan holiday too since Hanukkah falls, coincidentally, around that same time.

What "reason" is he applying here?

Seems to me that if you don't believe in deities, you wouldn't be taking part in any activity that derives from religious beliefs.

As for me, I couldn't care less if he's atheist, agnostic, or religious. Just stop belaboring the issue in every blog post.

I know, if you ignore something, simply ignore it. What is the point in repeatedly stating that you are ignoring something... unless it bothers you and this is simple part of the therapy. .. ?  confused13.gif  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:13 PM

It would help if he just stuck to what we all care about, the New album. I don't give a rats ass what he does on Pagan Day/Christmas Day , tell us when the album is coming out and how much you are going to soak us for in ticket prices  biggrin.gif  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:16 PM

Ive always considered Neil's view on religion as more of contempt. Which makes sense with his reference to Hitchens. But being that he tends to be a rationalist and critical thinker now living in the U.S., its pretty hard not to be conscious of the religious overtones that permeate the social and political climate recently. And being a artist and writer its pretty unrealistic to think it wouldnt be a prevalent theme in his work.  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (metaldad @ Jan 12 2012, 12:13 PM)
It would help if he just stuck to what we all care about, the New album. I don't give a rats ass what he does on Pagan Day/Christmas Day , tell us when the album is coming out and how much you are going to soak us for in ticket prices  biggrin.gif

I know. It's always so funny to me because surely he knows that 99.99% of people that are reading his updates are doing so because they're huge Rush fans.

Yet, he will write endlessly about everything and then sneak in there a blurb about Rush or an update and do it very matter of factly...kind of like "oh, by the way, for anyone who is interested in Rush news, here's an update" LOL

Regarding his religious views, yes, he is definitely starting to border OCD about endlessly talking about it. I believe he has been hurt and it probably started with the death of his family. He may very well have believed in God up until that point but, maybe in his mind, he said to himself that there isn't a God in the world that would have done this to him and so he wook a completely different path and started preaching against God and religion at that point, I don't know. Just a theory

It's almost like the Mel Gibson character is Signs. When his wife died, he hated God and decided to stop praying, believing, etc....



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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:42 PM

Unfortunately its only the zealots and nuts who grab the headlines when it comes to the world of religion, so that is what Neil sees.
Plus, there is the death of his family and 9/11, which was carried out by religious zealots and nuts. I know he feels he needs to deal with it through his writing, and I can understand how it can be a put-off. Heck, a lot of the whole "the universe is random" stuff on Roll the Bones was annoying. Yea, we get it Neil, but for a whole album?

Having said that, none of it really bothers me to the point that I skip songs. I only do that if I dont like it as a whole, lyrically and musically. Roll the Bones and Snakes and Arrows were (for me personally) weak albums musically, and the lyrical themes were all that was left to cling to and well, they left a lot to be desired. Therefore most of the tracks from those two albums never get heard in my house.

But BU2B gets blasted all the time. 1022.gif  

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Jan 12 2012, 08:43 AM)
QUOTE (liddybuck01 @ Jan 12 2012, 10:30 PM)
Neil is just doing what so many of us without religion try to do. get people to stop believing in man made story books and use some damn logic and reasoning. i, like Neil, go out of my way to make fun of Christianity. why? because it's ridiculous.


"Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion." - Dalai Lama

Taking that a step further, (even if you think it's ridiculous) why would you go out of your way to make fun of something that others firmly believe in? Sure, you can state your opinion but you're not doing anyone any favors by doing that.

Note: I am not a deeply religious person/bible thumper/etc. or a follower of any organized religion.

I don't make fun of it to people's faces, I'm not that terrible. but if theyre up for it, i will have an intellectual debate. I don't do it to hurt or offend anyone. Unless they're shoving it down my throat. That is a different story..

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (ucsteve667 @ Jan 12 2012, 01:16 PM)
Ive always considered Neil's view on religion as more of contempt. Which makes sense with his reference to Hitchens. But being that he tends to be a rationalist and critical thinker now living in the U.S., its pretty hard not to be conscious of the religious overtones that permeate the social and political climate recently. And being a artist and writer its pretty unrealistic to think it wouldnt be a prevalent theme in his work.

You are 100% correct.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:49 PM

That was a good read. Neil is a believer…he still counts his blessings.  




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