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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:55 AM

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I'm pretty sure I know who you're talking about.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:43 AM

I was raised within an extremely strict realm of Hindu traditions. As a result, I have been a vegetarian all of my life. In my opinion, not consuming meat is much healthier for you. Animals are ingested with several types of diverse hormones to accelerate growth and body mass. These hormones are potentially harmful for human consumption. To tell you a funny story, I accidentally ate meat in college, and threw up in the dining hall in front of a ton of scholars. After this incident I was nicknamed Barf Girl, and out of pitty this guy asked me out. This guy(who is now my hubby) and I have been married for 3 years. For all of you single individuals out there, being a vegetarian can enable you to hook up!!! biggrin.gif  

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:05 PM

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I was raised within an extremely strict realm of Hindu traditions. As a result, I have been a vegetarian all of my life. In my opinion, not consuming meat is much healthier for you. Animals are ingested with several types of diverse hormones to accelerate growth and body mass. These hormones are potentially harmful for human consumption. To tell you a funny story, I accidentally ate meat in college, and threw up in the dining hall in front of a ton of scholars. After this incident I was nicknamed Barf Girl, and out of pitty this guy asked me out. This guy(who is now my hubby) and I have been married for 3 years. For all of you single individuals out there, being a vegetarian can enable you to hook up!!! biggrin.gif

The most important part of what you wrote is right there in the beginning: "in my opinion".

Yeah, it's your OPINION. Meaning, it's not factual. You got sick because you want 20 years without eating meat and your body couldn't take it. The problem is not with the meat, the problem is with YOU.

Human animals, omnivores, eating meat is no less healthy than a lion, tiger or dog eating meat. That's what we, as animals, do. Always have, always will. We're built for it - unless you spend 20 years training your body to reject it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

I tried for years to be a vegetarian or a vegan, but for some people, eating a vegan or vegetarian diet is downright unhealthy.  I discovered about eighteen months ago that I sleep better, have more energy, can maintain my weight easily and have less chronic pain on a diet of meat, nuts, beans, vegetables and fruit that excludes wheat, soy, and most grains and dairy.

Despite the high cost and low convenience factor, I try to eat organic, pastured, humanely produced meat as often as possible because it is not only more ethical for the animals and more responsible for the environment, but also healthier for consumption.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:46 PM

I'm the least-likely-to-become-a-vegetarian person you'll find, but I'm ready to roll that way now.

All my life I've avoided vegetables ("I hate all of them!") and I love meat.  But I've been eating healthier this past year, and becoming healthy for life means getting lots of veggies and ditching the animal products.  (I'm not going vegetarian for "moral" reasons; I don't really care if cows, pigs, and chickens get killed.  I'm going vegetarian for HEALTH reasons.)

Watch the films "Hungry for Change," "Food Matters," and "Food Inc." for a start.  Americans no longer eat real FOOD, we eat food-like substances full of MSG, fat, sugar, high fructose corn syrup (which our bodies can't really process, by the way), chemicals, preservatives, etc.  People once ate diets that were high in nutrition and low in calories; today we eat stuff that's high in calories and FRIGHTENINGLY LOW in nutrition.  Gee, why is there an obesity problem in this country?   wink.gif

Animals are given growth hormones to get them to the table faster.  Chickens can now be made to grow from egg to full adult in 46 days; that's abnormal.  Chickens are also sometimes given something to make their breasts bigger, because hey, most people like white meat.  And then WE EAT the animal that had all those hormones in it.  Hmmm.  You suppose that's good for us?  

Animal products aren't our only source of protein.  There are plenty of plant-based alternatives to getting protein, getting it faster (more easily bio-available to our bodies), getting it cleaner, and in some cases getting MUCH MORE OF IT from plants than from meat.  Check out the "superfoods" chlorella and spirulina; they're overloaded with protein!

I won't get preachy with the defenders of meat-eating.  Eat away!  But at least try to avoid processed foods, and try to get five servings of vegetables per day.  Avoiding high fructose corn syrup would be another good idea, but I know that's hard.



By the way, can anyone really answer the question "why do we drink milk?"  At about twelve-months-old, we stopped drinking our mother's breast milk, switched to drinking the breast milk of another species instead, and then continued to drink it for the rest of our lives.  Why?  Calcium and vitamin D?  We can get those somewhere else.



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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:02 PM

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I'm the least-likely-to-become-a-vegetarian person you'll find, but I'm ready to roll that way now.

All my life I've avoided vegetables ("I hate all of them!") and I love meat.  But I've been eating healthier this past year, and becoming healthy for life means getting lots of veggies and ditching the animal products.  (I'm not going vegetarian for "moral" reasons; I don't really care if cows, pigs, and chickens get killed.  I'm going vegetarian for HEALTH reasons.)

Watch the films "Hungry for Change," "Food Matters," and "Food Inc." for a start.  Americans no longer eat real FOOD, we eat food-like substances full of MSG, fat, sugar, high fructose corn syrup (which our bodies can't really process, by the way), chemicals, preservatives, etc.  People once ate diets that were high in nutrition and low in calories; today we eat stuff that's high in calories and FRIGHTENINGLY LOW in nutrition.  Gee, why is there an obesity problem in this country?   wink.gif

Animals are given growth hormones to get them to the table faster.  Chickens can now be made to grow from egg to full adult in 46 days; that's abnormal.  Chickens are also sometimes given something to make their breasts bigger, because hey, most people like white meat.  And then WE EAT the animal that had all those hormones in it.  Hmmm.  You suppose that's good for us?  

Animal products aren't our only source of protein.  There are plenty of plant-based alternatives to getting protein, getting it faster (more easily bio-available to our bodies), getting it cleaner, and in some cases getting MUCH MORE OF IT from plants than from meat.  Check out the "superfoods" chlorella and spirulina; they're overloaded with protein!

I won't get preachy with the defenders of meat-eating.  Eat away!  But at least try to avoid processed foods, and try to get five servings of vegetables per day.  Avoiding high fructose corn syrup would be another good idea, but I know that's hard.



By the way, can anyone really answer the question "why do we drink milk?"  At about twelve-months-old, we stopped drinking our mother's breast milk, switched to drinking the breast milk of another species instead, and then continued to drink it for the rest of our lives.  Why?  Calcium and vitamin D?  We can get those somewhere else.

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Great post.

I went veggie this past November for many of the same reasons.

It was a bit challenging at first.

Easier for me, as my wife has been a vegetarian for a long time and happens to be a great cook.

Its funny, bcause the only time I crave meat is for something silly like Taco Bell, or the other day there was a commercial for McDonald's fish sandwiches, which I haven't eaten in years and years, but man, did I want one!

All the best with your new endeavor...I think you'll notice great changes in your body in about 60 days.

Everything seems to work better.

~Cheers, RGLT


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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

I went mostly vegetarian (fish only) for two years when I was in college.  Everyone kept telling me that at some point I would stop having dreams of bloody rare steaks.

One summer evening I was out to dinner with friends in Charlottesville, VA. There were about 9 of us, and I was the last to order.  

"Bacon cheeseburger, medium rare, please, no mustard."

8 heads turn in my direction and staring commences. "But. . .but. . .won't you get sick since you haven't had red meat in so long?"

"What?  I've been wanting a cheeseburger more than a winning lottery ticket for two years now!  I can't do anything about the latter, but I can DAMN SURE order a freakin' bacon cheeseburger!  Lay off!"  

It did not make me sick.  In fact, I ordered a second one.  No cheeseburger has ever tasted so good before or since.

It's just not for me.  I will happily support anyone's choice to NOT eat meat for whatever reason, as long as they are respectful of my choice and don't go all PETA or doom-and-gloom-you're-gonna-die-if-you-eat-meat on me.  

I'm rather picky about vegetables, too.  Except for peas, all of the vegetables I really really really like are expensive (such as artichokes).  So it's an expensive lifestyle for me!

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Apr 12 2012, 01:46 PM)
I'm the least-likely-to-become-a-vegetarian person you'll find, but I'm ready to roll that way now.

All my life I've avoided vegetables ("I hate all of them!") and I love meat.  But I've been eating healthier this past year, and becoming healthy for life means getting lots of veggies and ditching the animal products.  (I'm not going vegetarian for "moral" reasons; I don't really care if cows, pigs, and chickens get killed.  I'm going vegetarian for HEALTH reasons.)

Watch the films "Hungry for Change," "Food Matters," and "Food Inc." for a start.  Americans no longer eat real FOOD, we eat food-like substances full of MSG, fat, sugar, high fructose corn syrup (which our bodies can't really process, by the way), chemicals, preservatives, etc.  People once ate diets that were high in nutrition and low in calories; today we eat stuff that's high in calories and FRIGHTENINGLY LOW in nutrition.  Gee, why is there an obesity problem in this country?   wink.gif

Animals are given growth hormones to get them to the table faster.  Chickens can now be made to grow from egg to full adult in 46 days; that's abnormal.  Chickens are also sometimes given something to make their breasts bigger, because hey, most people like white meat.  And then WE EAT the animal that had all those hormones in it.  Hmmm.  You suppose that's good for us?  

Animal products aren't our only source of protein.  There are plenty of plant-based alternatives to getting protein, getting it faster (more easily bio-available to our bodies), getting it cleaner, and in some cases getting MUCH MORE OF IT from plants than from meat.  Check out the "superfoods" chlorella and spirulina; they're overloaded with protein!

I won't get preachy with the defenders of meat-eating.  Eat away!  But at least try to avoid processed foods, and try to get five servings of vegetables per day.  Avoiding high fructose corn syrup would be another good idea, but I know that's hard.



By the way, can anyone really answer the question "why do we drink milk?"  At about twelve-months-old, we stopped drinking our mother's breast milk, switched to drinking the breast milk of another species instead, and then continued to drink it for the rest of our lives.  Why?  Calcium and vitamin D?  We can get those somewhere else.

Good. Now start investigating the vegetables. You'll find that they're no better for you - in terms of people screwing around with them - than the meat products. Genetically modified, pesticide-ridden, and lacking nutrients that they contained just a few generations ago. Do the research on companies like Con-Agra and Monsanto. Pretty soon you won't want to eat anything at all.

Humans are omnivores. Simple as that. Eating nothing but vegetables is no more healthy than eating nothing but meat - especially considering that the multinational corporations have ruined it all.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

Swing to the extreme of either side and you're going to be unhealthy. I'm straight down the middle. I've cut back on animal products and increased my consumption of plant products. There are so many options available today there's no reason you can eat whatever you want and it will be healthy and ethical. It's a cliche, for sure, but moderation is the key.  

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE (danielmclark @ Apr 12 2012, 03:37 PM)
Good. Now start investigating the vegetables. You'll find that they're no better for you - in terms of people screwing around with them - than the meat products. Genetically modified, pesticide-ridden, and lacking nutrients that they contained just a few generations ago.

You can get fruit and vegetables without pesticides.

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Do the research on companies like Con-Agra and Monsanto. Pretty soon you won't want to eat anything at all.


I've heard all about Monsanto.  Terrible stuff, indeed.  This is what happens when Big Business or the Gubment takes over.  Monsanto now pretty much owns ALL the soybeans, present and future.  Hopefully other companies, or the government (with their control over corn), won't take over another food source.

This is why it's better to get food from local, privately owned farms.  Granted, it's probably too late to get soy from any place that isn't directly or indirectly owned by Monsanto, but we still have a chance with other crops.

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Eating nothing but vegetables is no more healthy than eating nothing but meat


Still not true, after everything you've said.  Time for YOU to do YOUR research.  Meat causes your body's pH level to be highly acidic, and that's when disease and illness can take root.  Vegetables cause your body to be highly ALKALINE, and you simply can't have cancer, for example, in an alkaline body.  Vegetables, even better than drugs, can prevent, reverse, and even cure illnesses like diabetes and heart disease and yes, cancer.

And the thing above about your body's pH level is just ONE reason vegetables are more healthy for you than meat.  Vegetables provide vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and phytochemicals you won't get in steak and pork chops.  They're nutrient rich; meat not so much.    

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Apr 12 2012, 04:59 PM)
Still not true, after everything you've said.  Time for YOU to do YOUR research.  Meat causes your body's pH level to be highly acidic, and that's when disease and illness can take root.  Vegetables cause your body to be highly ALKALINE, and you simply can't have cancer, for example, in an alkaline body.  Vegetables, even better than drugs, can prevent, reverse, and even cure illnesses like diabetes and heart disease and yes, cancer.

And the thing above about your body's pH level is just ONE reason vegetables are more healthy for you than meat.  Vegetables provide vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and phytochemicals you won't get in steak and pork chops.  They're nutrient rich; meat not so much.

This is where the anti-meat/animal product argument loses me. You simply can't have cancer? Really? Vegetables, even better than drugs, can prevent, reverse, and even cure illnesses like diabetes and heart disease and cancer? It's total pseudo-science. You can do this all with a proper diet that includes animal products.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

If cancer is the unchecked growth and multiplication of cells, and cancer can't exist in an alkaline body, then logically, cells can't grow or multiply in an alkaline body. Right? That's the logical conclusion?

I'm pretty sure I don't want to have a body that cells can't grow in.

This "being a vegetarian cures cancer" argument needs a bit more explaining, I think, because I'm pretty sure I can find some vegetarians that have lots of different kinds of cancer.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:30 PM

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If cancer is the unchecked growth and multiplication of cells, and cancer can't exist in an alkaline body, then logically, cells can't grow or multiply in an alkaline body. Right? That's the logical conclusion?

I'm pretty sure I don't want to have a body that cells can't grow in.

This "being a vegetarian cures cancer" argument needs a bit more explaining, I think, because I'm pretty sure I can find some vegetarians that have lots of different kinds of cancer.

Here are some famous ones:

George Harrison
Linda McCartney
Bob Marley
Steve Jobs

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:34 PM

I don't want to be living a long life. I eat what I eat and enjoy life. I think stress is what gives people cancer.

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 07:47 PM

i'm a big supporter of the pork industry.  biggrin.gif  

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

The whole "body alkalinity" thing is bunk anyway.  If your blood is too acidic and your body can't self-correct (as it were - I'm simplifying) , it very likely means something is amiss with your kidneys and you probably won't be around long, no matter what you eat.  

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Acid/Alkaline Theory of Disease Is Nonsense
Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Have you seen advertisements for products such as coral calcium or alkaline water that are supposed to neutralize acid in your bloodstream? Taking calcium or drinking alkaline water does not affect blood acidity. Anyone who tells you that certain foods or supplements make your stomach or blood acidic does not understand nutrition.

You should not believe that it matters whether foods are acidic or alkaline, because no foods change the acidity of anything in your body except your urine. Your stomach is so acidic that no food can change its acidity. Citrus fruits, vinegar, and vitamins such as ascorbic acid or folic acid do not change the acidity of your stomach or your bloodstream. An entire bottle of calcium pills or antacids would not change the acidity of your stomach for more than a few minutes.

All foods that leave your stomach are acidic. Then they enter your intestines where secretions from your pancreas neutralize the stomach acids. So no matter what you eat, the food in stomach is acidic and the food in the intestines is alkaline.

Dietary modification cannot change the acidity of any part of your body except your urine. Your bloodstream and organs control acidity in a very narrow range. Anything that changed acidity in your body would make you very sick and could even kill you. Promoters of these products claim that cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment and that is true, but neither can any of the other cells in your body.

All chemical reactions in your body are started by chemicals called enzymes. For example, if you convert chemical A to chemical B and release energy, enzymes must start these reactions. All enzymes function in a very narrow range of acidity. (The degree of acidity or alkalinity is expressed as "pH."). If your blood changes its acidity or alkalinity for any reason, it is quickly changed back to the normal pH or these enzymes would not function and the necessary chemical reactions would not proceed in your body.

For example, when you hold your breath, carbon dioxide accumulates in your bloodstream very rapidly and your blood turns acidic, and you will become uncomfortable or even pass out. This forces you to start breathing again immediately, and the pH returns to normal. If your kidneys are damaged and cannot regulate the acidity of your bloodstream, chemical reactions stop, poisons accumulate in your bloodstream, and you can die.

Certain foods can leave end-products called ash that can make your urine acid or alkaline, but urine is the only body fluid that can have its acidity changed by food or supplements. ALKALINE-ASH FOODS include fresh fruit and raw vegetables. ACID-ASH FOODS include ALL ANIMAL PRODUCTS, whole grains, beans and other seeds. These foods can change the acidity of your urine, but that's irrelevant since your urine is contained in your bladder and does not affect the pH of any other part of your body.

When you take in more protein than your body needs, your body cannot store it, so the excess amino acids are converted to organic acids that would acidify your blood. But your blood never becomes acidic because as soon as the proteins are converted to organic acids, calcium leaves your bones to neutralize the acid and prevent any change in pH. Because of this, many scientists think that taking in too much protein may weaken bones to cause osteoporosis.

Cranberries have been shown to help prevent recurrent urinary tract infections, but not because of their acidity. They contain chemicals that prevent bacteria from sticking to urinary tract cells.

Taking calcium supplements or drinking alkaline water will not change the pH of your blood. If you hear someone say that your body is too acidic and you should use their product to make it more alkaline, you would be wise not to believe anything else the person tells you.

Dr. Mirkin, who practices medicine in Kensington, Maryland, is board-certified in four specialties: allergy and immunology; sports medicine; pediatrics; and pediatric immunology. He has served as a teaching fellow at Johns Hopkins Medical School, Assistant Professor at the University of Maryland, and Associate Clinical Professor in Pediatrics at the Georgetown University School of Medicine. He has written 16 books on sportsmedicine, weight control, and low-fat eating. His Web site offers broadcasts and reports on thousands of topics. He also offers a free weekly e-mail newsletter.


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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

We've been bombarded with news of what's "bad" for us, some of the information contradictory, and I think it's made many people feel frozen.  "Don't eat this, don't eat that, etc."  Okay, but what should I eat?

Michael Pollan, author of several "food" books, including the highly praised "The Omnivore's Dilemma," came up with 70 or so simple "Food Rules," in a book titled exactly that.  I recommend the book, but moreover I recommend following his rules.

If the 70 simple rules, some of which rhyme, are still too much to grasp, Pollan breaks it down to just seven words:  "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants."  

Good advice.  Most people in the Western world don't eat food, they eat food-like substances.  ("Eat food...")  

Most people in the Western world eat too much, and have diabetes or an obesity problem.  ("...not too much...")  

And most people in the Western world eat less than one serving of fruit per day and NO servings of vegetables.  ("...mostly plants.")  

Follow Pollan's 7 words and you can make yourself feel a whole lot better.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (GeddyRulz @ Apr 13 2012, 09:15 AM)
We've been bombarded with news of what's "bad" for us, some of the information contradictory, and I think it's made many people feel frozen.  "Don't eat this, don't eat that, etc."  Okay, but what should I eat?

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So you won't be addressing the challenge to your "alkaline body" assertion then?

Also, that book you recommended, it says "mostly plants", so how does that jive with your previous statement that going vegetarian is the right way to go? Sounds like the author you recommended doesn't go that far.

Lastly, while I'm not saying the books he writes are worthless, Michael Pollen is not a doctor, scientist, botanist, nutritionist or any other "ist" that would make his writing credible. He's a journalist. I'll take the word of a doctor - like the one Mara quoted - over that of a journalist when it comes to nutrition.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:45 AM

Just shut up and eat, damnit!

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

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So you won't be addressing the challenge to your "alkaline body" assertion then?


I only know a little about it, but I understand it this way...

Radiation/Chemotherapy attacks cancer cells but also harms GOOD cells.  In the end, I think a lot of "cancer deaths" can actually be attributed to the chemotherapy.  (Think of the people in your own life who've "died of cancer."  In many cases, isn't it strange that they were diagnosed, given chemo, and then died SO QUICKLY??  It's made me wonder if my loved ones would still maybe be alive if they hadn't been diagnosed and treated for the cancer!)  Certain vegetables, if I understand this right, work differently than radiation/chemotherapy does; they attack only the bad cells, leave good cells alone, and therefore don't make you still SICKER.  I'll say this much: if I'm diagnosed with cancer, I'm NOT getting chemotherapy.  You've probably seen the commercial for the "Cancer Treatment Center."  The woman's doctors non-chalantly told her she was going to die in a couple months.  She then went to the Cancer Center, where the professionals told her she "didn't have an expiration date," gave her a mixed treatment which included NUTRITION, and her cancer went into remission.

The single doctor that Mara quoted, who has "debunked" the alkaline/acidity thing, is just one man.  I'm not saying he's wrong or right, but try doing a Google search for this.  I did, and what I found was that the first seven pages of search results all believed in the "body's pH" thing.  (I finally stopped reading after seven straight pages worth of support for my argument.)  If this is just a theory that's been de-bunked, where are all the other professionals who are de-bunking it?? It seems to me that if this was a controversial theory, like Global Warming for instance, with people that believed and people who did not, then at least SOME of the first 70 search results would've taken the "ANTI-" stance.  But that's not the case.  Maybe this doctor who Mara quoted knows something that nobody else does, but I'm going with the numbers.

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Also, that book you recommended, it says "mostly plants", so how does that jive with your previous statement that going vegetarian is the right way to go? Sounds like the author you recommended doesn't go that far.


The more plant-based you go, the better.  But it's hard getting people to go all the way.  Look at Mara, who was Vegan for two years and then slid back into omnivorism, saying vegetarianism was "not for me" because she finds bacon cheeseburgers and other meats too irresistable.  I don't blame her; I love meat, too.  Pollan gives such people, like Mara and myself (for the time being), an out.  It's like "Okay, if you can't totally resist the meat just yet, fine.  But try to eat MOSTLY plants.  At least get your five servings of vegetables per day."  One doesn't have to completely change their diet overnight.  Just start adding more vegetables; perhaps eventually the "good foods" you add will overcrowd the bad foods, and then you'll go 100% plant-based.

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Lastly, while I'm not saying the books he writes are worthless, Michael Pollen is not a doctor, scientist, botanist, nutritionist or any other "ist" that would make his writing credible. He's a journalist. I'll take the word of a doctor - like the one Mara quoted - over that of a journalist when it comes to nutrition.


I don't know how old you are, but I'm increasingly finding as I age that I have less and less respect for the medical profession.    Go and stick with the "doctors," if you still trust them implicitly.  I don't anymore.  I've had myself and my loved ones mis-diagnosed.  I've had myself and my loved ones simply given pain pills and then sent home when the need for an operation was indicated.  They're human, and they only know what they were taught in Med School.

Go ahead and ask several doctors and they'll tell you: they weren't taught ANYTHING about nutrition.  They're taught "a pill for every ill"; whatever the patient presents, there's a drug they can prescribe... a drug which treats the SYMPTOMS, but not the ROOT CAUSE.  All too frequently, the root cause is the patient's poor diet.  The doctors often know it, but of course they'll still prescribe Prozac, not potatoes.

Nutritionists DO believe in the pH thing I mentioned.  It's got the backing of nutritionists.  What it doesn't have, though, is the backing of that one doctor in Kensington, Maryland who Mara quoted.

Edited by GeddyRulz, 13 April 2012 - 11:32 AM.





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