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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jan 26 2012, 05:58 PM)
Cool. I knew it wasn't official, kind of like the old "Unbursts" that had their burst fade over time. I thought it may refer to KISS makeup. tongue.gif

As someone who does work like this would my wiring scheme above be reasonable, or am I out on a limb?

I took a quick look at your wiring scheme and I'll have to digest it. Wifey is calling me to dinner now so I'll answer tomorrow. And BTW, the neck on that les paul is maple not mahogany.

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Here are a few more shots:

 

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/Perchance/100_2239-1.jpg

 

I'm not seeing a "pancake" there. I can make out the striations in the grain, but I don't see any layering. Dunno....maybe the eyes are starting to go, but it looks solid to me. confused13.gif

 

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/Perchance/100_2236.jpg

 

Back of the neck. Other than the finish being worn, it's all good. It looks to me like 3 separate pieces of wood.

 

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/Perchance/100_2238.jpg

 

Again thanks for the input!

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Cool. Like I said I thought they had stopped the mahogany sandwich by 79. And yep that is a maple neck alright. Now I want to hear it!

 

When Henry J. took Gibson over they had a team look at and measure several 50's and 60's Les Pauls and they found out that there were no hard and fast specs that they could use as a master set to make the current models from. The idea was that they would make guitars that their market longed for, which were the handful of Les Pauls made between 57 and 61. But because they were all hand made that things like the arched tops varied depending upon who shaped them. Same thing with necks. Pickups varied depending upon who wound them. These days all of this data has been input into sophisticated machinery that does a LOT of work cutting bodies. Necks are still pretty much done by hand. The pickups are machine wound so they have more consistency than when wound by hand. The 57 Classics are the closest to the PAFs from that era (allegedly) and all others are variants (some coils get extra windings or tighter or looser depending upon model).

 

Man you got yourself a killer deal. I got my Ric 4001 for the same price, also from a friend. Let's trade! smile.gif

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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jan 26 2012, 06:39 PM)
Man you got yourself a killer deal. I got my Ric 4001 for the same price, also from a friend. Let's trade! smile.gif

The creme one? Quite tempting but I'm gonna have to say no.

 

You can hear it, though. I'll bring it down if everything goes as planned.

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Actually the Ric is worth a bit more. wink.gif

 

I just love me some Les Paul guitars! Hopefully I'll still be here for the VH show.

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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Jan 26 2012, 05:58 PM)


As someone who does work like this would my wiring scheme above be reasonable, or am I out on a limb?

No , I don't think you are out on a limb...your scheme looks fine to me

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Update:

 

I went to GuitarCenter.com and bought a couple of new things for the guitar. I'm replacing the tuners with vintage Les Paul pearloid machine tuning heads in nickel.

 

After inspecting the guitar I realized that I was missing the bracket which attaches the pick guard to the body, so I ordered one of those as well.

 

Baby steps.

 

I've decided to go the "Ace Frehley route," as Cyg described it, and go with a new set of DiMarzio Super Distortion Humbuckers.

 

Can't wait to have this baby up and running like I want it!

 

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I found a great site with wiring diagrams for all kinds of guitars. I recently rewired my Les Paul to be in the 50's style with independent volume control (i.e when in the middle position and volume down one pickup the other stays on. It came where if you did this both pickups would cut which apparently is standard).

 

Sounds cool. I too will be swapping pickups. I've been checking out the Seymour Duncan Seth Lover and Antiquities and will get a set of either or a combination. These are the closest in output and tone to the original PAFs as they were designed by Seymour with the help of Seth Lover who invented the humbucker for Gibson way back when. The Antiquities are aged to give the impression of being like an old pickup where the Seths are like brand new versions of the PAFs. They are essentially the same in terms of windings and materials except for the aging process. The Duncan site is pretty cool with sound samples of each pickup mounted in a vintage Les Paul with clean tones through a Fender Reverb and dirty tones through a Marshall JCM 800. Very cool.

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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Feb 27 2012, 03:15 AM)
The Duncan site is pretty cool with sound samples of each pickup mounted in a vintage Les Paul with clean tones through a Fender Reverb and dirty tones through a Marshall JCM 800. Very cool.

That is very cool. I sat around for an hour messing around with different combinations.

 

It made me begin to vacillate on my decision to go with the DiMarzios. In the end, I decided to stick with my initial plan. I'm going "Budokan" all the way. laugh.gif

 

However, when I get another LP.....hmmmmmm

 

I can already tell that this is going to be an expensive hobby. You only live once, right? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Perchance to Dream @ Feb 27 2012, 04:50 PM)
You only live once, right? biggrin.gif

Unless you are Buddhist or Hindu I suppose....

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Well, my buddy didn't have either the Seth Lovers or the Antiquities in stock so I went with the '59s which are also very close to original PAFs allegedly. We'll see....
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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Feb 27 2012, 10:09 PM)
Well, my buddy didn't have either the Seth Lovers or the Antiquities in stock so I went with the '59s which are also very close to original PAFs allegedly. We'll see....

I remember you showing me your LP but I do not remember what it looks like. Post a pic or link me up if you've already posted it, por favor.

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From my old phone here are the first pics I took of her:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jcdiazjr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lespaul1.jpg

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~jcdiazjr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lespaul2.jpg

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~jcdiazjr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lespaul3.jpg

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~jcdiazjr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/guitars.jpg

A fraction of my collection...

 

I'll take more with the new pups (which are exposed black coils), but I will probably change them again. The neck pickup went too far the other way.

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Indeed she is! It's a "Standard Plus" which means the top is AA matched maple. The custom shop guitars come with AAA tops so I can't complain. Under the neck pickup a luthier scrawled "LB" for Light Burst which is the finish and under the bridge pickup they wrote "LPS Plus" indicating the model. Turns out that my stock pickups were Burstbuckers; #1 neck & #2 bridge.
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http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422982_3002734704995_1161155271_32511616_550154115_n.jpg

 

Here she is with the new '59 Model Seymour Duncan pickups. Definitely more mellow than the Burstbuckers. Maybe too much, but they do sound good.

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QUOTE (CygnusX-1Bk2 @ Feb 29 2012, 04:23 PM)
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/422982_3002734704995_1161155271_32511616_550154115_n.jpg

Here she is with the new '59 Model Seymour Duncan pickups. Definitely more mellow than the Burstbuckers. Maybe too much, but they do sound good.

http://www.woodytone.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lifeson_alex_lespaul_floyd_0905gw.jpg

Here's Alex's so we can compare... I think mine is pretty close but his has a AAA top and the inlay is just a bit nicer and looks aged to me.

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No. Don't want to route this beautiful top. Though I have considered putting a piezo bridge on which does little cosmetically. I think you have to drill a small hole in the bridge pickup mounting ring for the wire from the bridge.
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