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How is number 2? I love the 1st but I'm afraid the 2nd might ruin it all and have avoided it.

Well the second one is entertaining but not as good as the first one. The first one's story flows naturally from beginning to end while the second one seems more like a series of scenes patched together with superstar actors drafted in like Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zita-Jones and that Korean guy, it's all a bit too much like the Expendables. And there's pointless characters like "the Frog" who just appear so they can play out this idea or that idea. Overall though like I said it's entertaining but not as good. Just like the first film though John Malkovitch and Mary-Louis Parker steal the show. Helen Mirren is good too and Brian Cox.

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Rewatching Avatar for the umteenth time. :LOL:

 

I watched it a 2nd time not too long ago and actually thought it was borderline terrible.

The first time I saw it in the theaters and thought it was wonderful.

 

Weird isn't it?

 

Avatar is the reason I bought a blu-ray player and an HD tv. I can see why people might not like the movie but I love it.

You dream of waking up in the avatar universe don't you? Interacting with the characters!

 

Honestly? It would be cool but I haven't dreamed about it. :)

Well fantasised...

 

I knew what you meant. :)

 

Avatar's flaws become more apparent with repeated viewings. I still enjoy it though.

 

I'd be curious to know what you consider the flaws? Obviously the storyline was predictable but as far as the rest of it?

 

These 2 were pretty one dimensional cartoony villains.

 

http://www.empireonline.com/images/interviews/media/stephen-lang-avatar.jpg

 

 

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Rewatching Avatar for the umteenth time. :LOL:

 

I watched it a 2nd time not too long ago and actually thought it was borderline terrible.

The first time I saw it in the theaters and thought it was wonderful.

 

Weird isn't it?

 

Avatar is the reason I bought a blu-ray player and an HD tv. I can see why people might not like the movie but I love it.

You dream of waking up in the avatar universe don't you? Interacting with the characters!

 

Honestly? It would be cool but I haven't dreamed about it. :)

Well fantasised...

 

I knew what you meant. :)

 

Avatar's flaws become more apparent with repeated viewings. I still enjoy it though.

 

I'd be curious to know what you consider the flaws? Obviously the storyline was predictable but as far as the rest of it?

 

These 2 were pretty one dimensional cartoony villains.

 

http://www.empireonline.com/images/interviews/media/stephen-lang-avatar.jpg

 

 

http://veryaware.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Ribisi.jpg

 

I would tend to agree about Quaritch. He didn't really have any redeeming characteristics. Just the typical bad guy military dude. But I think that Selfridge was a bit more three-dimensional. At least he did seem to have some regret about sending Quaritch off to kill the Na'vi.

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This is a TV movie based on a true incident.

 

Here's the details:

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Miami_shootout

 

The shootout

 

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Relative positions of FBI agents' and suspects' vehicles after felony car stop at 12201 Southwest 82nd Avenue, Pinecrest, Miami, Florida. Illustration is not to scale.

 

At 8:45 a.m on Friday April 11, 1986, a team of FBI agents led by Special Agent Gordon McNeill assembled at a Home Depot to initiate a rolling stakeout searching for the black Monte Carlo (Collazo's stolen car). The agents did not know the identity of the suspects at the time. They were acting on a hunch that the pair would attempt a robbery that morning.

 

A total of fourteen FBI agents in eleven cars participated in the search. Eight of these FBI agents took part in the actual shootout and were paired as follows;

 

Supervisory Special Agent Gordon McNeill alone in his car

Special Agent Richard Manauzzi alone in his car

Special Agent Benjamin Grogan, with Special Agent Jerry Dove

Special Agent Edmundo Mireles, Jr., with Special Agent John Hanlon

Special Agent Gilbert Orrantia, with Special Agent Ronald Risner

 

Around 9:30 a.m., agents Grogan and Dove spotted the suspect vehicle, and began to follow. Two other stakeout team cars joined them, and eventually an attempt was made to conduct a felony traffic stop of the suspects, who were forced off the road following collisions with the FBI cars of agents Grogan/Dove, agents Hanlon/Mireles and agent Manauzzi. This sent the suspect car nose first into a tree in a small parking area in front of a house at 12201 Southwest 82nd Avenue, pinned against a parked car on its passenger side and Manauzzi's car on the driver side.

 

Of the eight agents at the scene, two had Ithaca Model 37 shotguns in their vehicles (McNeill and Mireles), three were armed with semi-automatic Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistols (Dove, Grogan, and Risner), and the rest were armed with Smith & Wesson revolvers. Two of the agents had backup revolvers (Hanlon and Risner) and both would use them at some point during the fight.

 

The initial collision that forced the suspects off the road caused some unforeseen problems for the agents, as the FBI vehicles sustained damage from the heavier, older car driven by Matix. Just prior to ramming the Monte Carlo, Manauzzi had pulled out his service revolver and placed it on the seat in anticipation of a shootout, but the force of the collision flung open his door and sent his weapon flying. Hanlon lost his .357 Magnum service revolver during the initial collision, though he was still able to fight with his Smith & Wesson Model 36 backup gun. The collision knocked off Grogan's glasses, and there is speculation his vision was so bad that he was unable to see clearly enough to be effective. (A claim disputed by the FBI's Medical Director, who stated that Grogan's vision was "not that bad".) Grogan, however, is credited with landing the first hit of the gunfight, wounding Matix in the forearm as he leaned out of the Monte Carlo to fire the shotgun at Grogan and Dove.

 

Manauzzi was wounded when Platt fired several rounds from his Ruger Mini-14 rifle that penetrated the door of Manauzzi's car. McNeill fired over the hood of Manauzzi's car but was wounded by return fire from Platt's Ruger Mini-14 rifle. Platt then fired his rifle at Mireles who was running across the street to join the fight. Mireles was hit in the left forearm, creating a severe wound. Platt then pulled back from the window, giving Matix opportunity to fire. Due to collision damage, Matix could only open his door partially, and fired one shotgun round at Grogan and Dove, striking their vehicle. Matix was then shot in the right forearm, probably by Grogan. McNeill returned fire with six shots from his revolver, hitting Matix with two rounds in the head and neck. Matix was apparently knocked unconscious by the hits and fired no more rounds. McNeill was then shot in the hand and, due to his wound and blood in his revolver's chambers, could not reload.

 

As Platt climbed out of the passenger side car window, one of Dove's 9 mm rounds hit his right upper arm and went on to penetrate his chest, stopping an inch away from his heart. The autopsy found Platt’s right lung had collapsed and his chest cavity contained 1.3 liters of blood, suggesting damage to the main blood vessels of the right lung. Of his many gunshot wounds, this first was the primary injury responsible for Platt’s eventual death. The car had come to a stop against a parked vehicle, and Platt had to climb across the hood of this vehicle, an Oldsmobile Cutlass. As he did so, he was shot a second and third time, in the right thigh and left foot. The shots were believed to have been fired by Dove.

 

Platt took up position by the passenger side front fender of the Cutlass. He fired a .357 Magnum revolver at agents Ronald Risner and Gilbert Orrantia, and was shot a fourth time when turning to fire at Hanlon, Dove and Grogan. The bullet, fired by Risner or Orrantia, penetrated Platt's right forearm, fractured the radius bone and exited the forearm. This wound caused Platt to drop his revolver. It is estimated that Platt was shot a fifth time shortly afterwards, this time by Risner. The bullet penetrated Platt's right upper arm, exited below the armpit and entered his torso, stopping below his shoulder blade. The wound was not serious.

 

Platt fired one round from his Mini-14 at Risner and Orrantia's position, wounding Orrantia with shrapnel created by the bullet's passage, and two rounds at McNeill. One round hit McNeill in the neck, causing him to collapse and leaving him paralyzed for several hours. Platt then apparently positioned the Mini-14 against his shoulder using his uninjured left hand.

 

Dove's 9 mm pistol was rendered inoperative after being hit by one of Platt's bullets. Hanlon fired at Platt and was shot in the hand while reloading. Grogan and Dove were kneeling alongside the driver’s side of their car. Both were preoccupied with getting Dove's gun working and did not detect that Platt was aggressively advancing upon them. Platt rounded the rear of their car and killed Grogan with a shot to the chest, shot Hanlon in the groin area, and then killed Dove with two shots to the head. Platt then entered the Grogan/Dove car in an apparent attempt to flee the scene. As Platt entered Grogan and Dove's car, Mireles, able to use only one arm, fired the first of five rounds from his pump-action shotgun, wounding Platt in both feet. At an unknown time, Matix had regained consciousness and he joined Platt in the car, entering via the passenger door. Mireles fired four more rounds at Platt and Matix, but hit neither.

 

Around this time, Metro-Dade police officers Rick Frye, Leonard Figueroa and Martin Heckman arrived. Heckman covered McNeill's paralyzed body with his own. Frye assisted Hanlon.

 

Platt's actions at this moment in the fight have been debated. A civilian witness described Platt leaving the car, walking almost 20 feet and firing at Mireles three times at close range. Mireles does not remember this happening. Officer Heckman does not remember Platt leaving the Grogan/Dove car. Risner and Orrantia, observing from the other side of the street, stated that they did not see Platt leave the car and fire at Mireles. However, it is known for certain that Platt pulled Matix's Dan Wesson revolver at some point and fired three rounds.

 

Platt attempted to start the Grogan/Dove car. Mireles drew his .357 Magnum revolver, moved parallel to the street and then directly toward Platt and Matix. Mireles fired six rounds at the suspects. The first round missed, hitting the back of the front seat. The second hit the driver's side window post and fragmented, with one small piece hitting Platt in the scalp. The third hit Matix in the face, and fragmented in two, with neither piece causing a serious wound. The fourth hit Matix in the face next to his right eye socket, travelled downward through the facial bones, into the neck, where it entered the spinal column and severed the spinal cord. The fifth hit Matix in the face, penetrated the jaw bone and neck and came to rest by the spinal column.Mireles reached the driver's side door, extended his revolver through the window, and fired his sixth shot at Platt. The bullet penetrated Platt's chest and bruised the spinal cord, ending the gunfight.

 

The shootout involved ten people: two suspects and eight FBI agents. Of the ten, only one, Special Agent Manauzzi, did not fire any shots (his firearm was thrown from car in the initial collision), while only one, Special Agent Risner, was able to emerge from the battle without a wound.

 

The incident lasted under five minutes yet approximately 145 shots were exchanged.

 

Toxicology tests showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths.

 

Aftermath

 

The subsequent FBI investigation placed partial blame for the agents' deaths on the lack of stopping power exhibited by their service handguns. The FBI soon began the search for a more powerful caliber and cartridge. Noting the difficulties of reloading a revolver while under fire, the FBI specified that agents should be armed with semiautomatic handguns, and this incident contributed to the increasing trend of law enforcement agencies switching from revolvers to semi-automatic pistols across the nation.

 

In the aftermath, the FBI initially choose the Smith & Wesson 1076 chambered for the 10mm Auto round, but its sharp recoil proved too much for most agents to control effectively, and a special reduced velocity loading was developed - commonly referred to as the "10mm Lite" or "10mm FBI". Soon afterwards Smith and Wesson developed a shorter cased cartridge based on the 10mm, the .40 S&W. This became more popular than its parent due to the ability to chamber in standard frame semi-automatic pistols initially designed for the 9 mm Parabellum.

 

Other issues were brought up in the aftermath of the shooting. Despite being on the lookout for two violent felons who were known to use firearms during their crimes, only two of the FBI vehicles contained shotguns (in addition to Mireles, McNeill had a shotgun in his car, but was unable to reach it before or during the shootout), and none of the agents were armed with rifles. Only two of the agents were wearing ballistic vests, and the armor they were wearing was standard light body armor, which is designed to protect against handgun rounds, not the .223 Remington rounds fired by Platt's Mini-14 rifle. While heavier armor providing protection against rifle rounds would normally have been hot and uncomfortable to wear on patrol in Miami's April climate, the agents, spending the day sitting in air conditioned vehicles on the lookout for a single target, were facing more ideal conditions for its use.

 

The other six agents involved in the stakeout in five vehicles, who did not reach the shootout in time to participate, did have additional weaponry including Remington shotguns, Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine guns, and M16 rifles.

 

Weaponry and injuries

 

Agents

 

Richard Manauzzi: lost control of weapon in the initial vehicle collision, no shots fired. Minor injuries from shotgun pellets.

Gordon McNeill: Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 Magnum revolver, six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and neck.

 

Edmundo Mireles: Remington M870 12-gauge shotgun, five rounds 00 buckshot fired, .357 Magnum revolver, Smith & Wesson Model 686 (despite not being FBI-issue), six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by a .223 gunshot wound to the left forearm.

 

Gilbert Orrantia: S&W (model unknown, likely a Model 13, as it was an issued weapon at the time) .357 Magnum revolver, 12 rounds .38 Special +P fired. Injured by shrapnel and debris produced by a .223 bullet near miss.

 

John Hanlon: Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special revolver, 2-inch barrel, five rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously injured by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and groin.

 

Benjamin Grogan: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, nine rounds fired. Killed by a .223 gunshot wound to the chest.

 

Jerry Dove: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 20+ rounds fired. Killed by two .223 gunshot wounds to the head.

 

Ronald Risner: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 14 rounds fired, S&W Model 60 .38 Special revolver, one round .38 Special +P fired. Uninjured.

 

 

Suspects

 

William Matix: Smith & Wesson Model 3000 12-gauge shotgun, one round #6 shot fired. Killed after being shot six times.

 

Michael Platt: Ruger Mini-14 .223 Remington with folding stock, at least 42 rounds fired, S&W M586 .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired, Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired. Killed after being shot 12 times.

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How is number 2? I love the 1st but I'm afraid the 2nd might ruin it all and have avoided it.

 

I just finished watching the second one yesterday, and although overall the first is a better film, I had more fun watching the second!

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This was by far the best werewolf movie I´ve ever seen:

 

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The score to this film was by Brett Detar of The Juliana Theory. Love him and his music!

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I saw the preview. It looked like a "Less than Zero" for the new millennium.

It doesn't have the feel of a feature film really, it's kind of like a play or a collection stories tied together but only loosely connected.

 

Parts of it are interesting and parts are dull. It's worth a look but it's not going to blow anyone away I don't think.

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Oh by the way you get to see Julianne Moore take a crap on the toilet and wipe her arse if that's of interest! :16ton:

 

Can´t decide between :drool: or :facepalm:.

 

I didn´t think much of Cronemberg´s previous movie (Cosmopolis), and this one doesn´t look too promising either. Quite shame...I really like some of his movies a lot. The two ones he did with Vigo Mortensen were awesome (A History of Violence and Eastern Promises), and A Dangerous Method was great as well.

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Oh by the way you get to see Julianne Moore take a crap on the toilet and wipe her arse if that's of interest! :16ton:

 

Can´t decide between :drool: or :facepalm:.

 

I didn´t think much of Cronemberg´s previous movie (Cosmopolis), and this one doesn´t look too promising either. Quite shame...I really like some of his movies a lot. The two ones he did with Vigo Mortensen were awesome (A History of Violence and Eastern Promises), and A Dangerous Method was great as well.

It kind of picks up towards the end but it's pretty bleak and a slow burner.

 

Watching films by Cronenberg these days its amazing that it's the same guy who did Shivers, Rabid, Scanners, The Brood and Videodrome. It's like that was another director altogether.

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