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#221 Finding IT

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (Jean Simmons @ Nov 26 2010, 09:23 AM)
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Wow, I am guessing we aren't exactly drawing the Oxford educated crowd, here.

Iron Maiden might have more fans than Rush in some backwater, but worldwide but Rush has significantly more total album sales worldwide.

OK, so explain to me this how is 40,000,000 (estimated Rush worldwide album sales) greater than 85,000,000 (estimated Iron Maiden worldwide album sales?

Iron Maiden have a substantially greater following in such backwater countries as India for example, I'm sure you'd include India as being a backwater country.

I like Rush more than Iron Maiden, but I don't like pig ignorance and blind devotion.

I would suggest that you are hardly Harvard or Yale educated, more likely San Dimas Community College.

Yep, Penn and Johns Hopkins Medicine, bit of a joke, really.

Means nowt to me sunshine.

I was educacted at the School of Hard Knocks and the Universiry of Life (Plus the University of Birmingham, The University of Derby and Sheffield Hallam University). I couldn't give a gnat's chuff where you were educated. The fact is you said that Rush had sold more than Iron Maiden, when 30 seconds of research will prove otherwise.

Come on then where's your explanation as to why you can't get a simple fact like that right?

Is it just a case of "I don't need to get my facts right, I went to a better University than you"

I'll get Roger to set his dad Harvey on you.

Yep, my explanation is that I screwed up. Mea Culpa. I was referring to the number of total Gold Albums but wrote total albums instead. My apologies.

I still think Iron Maiden is a load of crap and I still think $100 is not much to pay for band that only tours your area every 5 or 6 years.

I don't know who Roger and Harvey are so I can't comment on your last line. The only English phrase I really know is "Bob's your Uncle" and that is because it was on "Are You Being Served" one night and I looked it up.

What's all this with apologies?

I'd signed up for more than a five minute argument!

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#222 Roger Goldsmith

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:24 AM

QUOTE (Finding IT @ Nov 26 2010, 09:21 AM)
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Roger, out of interest are you going to any of the UK dates next year? And are you by any chance from the North of England?

no mate i come from Glasgow and now spend half my time between Glasgow and Montreal ( where my wifes parents live )

Because I'm a Brit - even quite an uneducated one (One University, One Poly, One College of Higher Education) - I had deduced that you must have contacts with the Québecois.

Now I'm quite prepared to keep slinging mud  biggrin.gif  wink.gif  

There's all sorts of nasty shit going on in the world, I've got all sorts of bad shit going off in my life, but defending these ticket prices is just wrong in the face of that (as probably is moaning about them). Music should be about enjoyment, yes Rush have to make a living, but by just scaling back their income a bit they'd be able to entertain and make more people happy than they will do with these prices.

yeah i agree, mud slingings great, its just a laugh unless you are finding it.

he's been to every uni in the states and his one liners are still pish

Very brave for a guy in Buttscratch, England. Would live to "have a pint with you" f2f, you chicken-necked twerp.

thats the second personal attack on me...  another one and your gone..


cmon finding it     lets stop this  lets be pals

i'll stop if you stop.   i think thats only fair, i mean you started it  

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:19 AM)
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QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:04 AM)
QUOTE (The Main Monkey Business @ Nov 26 2010, 08:59 AM)
Roger, out of interest are you going to any of the UK dates next year? And are you by any chance from the North of England?

no mate i come from Glasgow and now spend half my time between Glasgow and Montreal ( where my wifes parents live )

Because I'm a Brit - even quite an uneducated one (One University, One Poly, One College of Higher Education) - I had deduced that you must have contacts with the Québecois.

Now I'm quite prepared to keep slinging mud  biggrin.gif  wink.gif  

There's all sorts of nasty shit going on in the world, I've got all sorts of bad shit going off in my life, but defending these ticket prices is just wrong in the face of that (as probably is moaning about them). Music should be about enjoyment, yes Rush have to make a living, but by just scaling back their income a bit they'd be able to entertain and make more people happy than they will do with these prices.

yeah i agree, mud slingings great, its just a laugh unless you are finding it.

he's been to every uni in the states and his one liners are still pish

Roger - you sound as though you have some anger issues - can you not just calm down and let things calm down

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:24 AM)
QUOTE (Finding IT @ Nov 26 2010, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:19 AM)
QUOTE (Jean Simmons @ Nov 26 2010, 09:16 AM)
QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:04 AM)
QUOTE (The Main Monkey Business @ Nov 26 2010, 08:59 AM)
Roger, out of interest are you going to any of the UK dates next year? And are you by any chance from the North of England?

no mate i come from Glasgow and now spend half my time between Glasgow and Montreal ( where my wifes parents live )

Because I'm a Brit - even quite an uneducated one (One University, One Poly, One College of Higher Education) - I had deduced that you must have contacts with the Québecois.

Now I'm quite prepared to keep slinging mud  biggrin.gif  wink.gif  

There's all sorts of nasty shit going on in the world, I've got all sorts of bad shit going off in my life, but defending these ticket prices is just wrong in the face of that (as probably is moaning about them). Music should be about enjoyment, yes Rush have to make a living, but by just scaling back their income a bit they'd be able to entertain and make more people happy than they will do with these prices.

yeah i agree, mud slingings great, its just a laugh unless you are finding it.

he's been to every uni in the states and his one liners are still pish

Very brave for a guy in Buttscratch, England. Would live to "have a pint with you" f2f, you chicken-necked twerp.

thats the second personal attack on me...  another one and your gone..


cmon finding it     lets stop this  lets be pals

i'll stop if you stop.   i think thats only fair, i mean you started it

Fair enough, I am done.  trink39.gif  

#225 Roger Goldsmith

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:27 AM

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Good luck with reporting those personal attacks, Finding IT. I've tried to report a number of offensive comments I've read today across the whole Time Machine Tour area (not directed at me, but to others including the wholly unpleasant Jean Simmons thread), only to be told on each occasion that there was an error and my report could not be processed.

I can't speak for others but I, for one, AM Oxford-educated. Trinity College, to be exact.

How about all parties wind their necks in? Enough with the mud-slinging. it's hardly a great advert for international relations, is it?

Very nice. Our admin, (1001001) is usually on top of these kinds of things but he may be travelling or with this family.

Our admin...  oh I see, its your forum now

exactly what we are on about...  

oh mummy mummy, those big boys are being nasty to me.

your too stupid to realise how pathetic you sound

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:27 AM)
QUOTE (Finding IT @ Nov 26 2010, 09:24 AM)
QUOTE (timbo13 @ Nov 26 2010, 09:01 AM)
Good luck with reporting those personal attacks, Finding IT. I've tried to report a number of offensive comments I've read today across the whole Time Machine Tour area (not directed at me, but to others including the wholly unpleasant Jean Simmons thread), only to be told on each occasion that there was an error and my report could not be processed.

I can't speak for others but I, for one, AM Oxford-educated. Trinity College, to be exact.

How about all parties wind their necks in? Enough with the mud-slinging. it's hardly a great advert for international relations, is it?

Very nice. Our admin, (1001001) is usually on top of these kinds of things but he may be travelling or with this family.

Our admin...  oh I see, its your forum now

exactly what we are on about...  

oh mummy mummy, those big boys are being nasty to me.

your too stupid to realise how pathetic you sound

since we're done   sorry trink38.gif  trink38.gif  trink38.gif  trink38.gif  

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:31 AM

QUOTE (Jean Simmons @ Nov 26 2010, 09:16 AM)
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Roger, out of interest are you going to any of the UK dates next year? And are you by any chance from the North of England?

no mate i come from Glasgow and now spend half my time between Glasgow and Montreal ( where my wifes parents live )

Because I'm a Brit - even quite an uneducated one (One University, One Poly, One College of Higher Education) - I had deduced that you must have contacts with the Québecois.

Now I'm quite prepared to keep slinging mud  biggrin.gif  wink.gif

Ahhh Canada. Quebec.  None of the scenery of France, but all of the f-cking attitude!   rofl3.gif  laugh.gif

Edited by lerxt1990, 26 November 2010 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:33 AM

Oh.. I thought we were still arguing... sad.gif

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:40 AM

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Roger Goldsmith @ Nov 26 2010, 09:50 AM)
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Wow, I am guessing we aren't exactly drawing the Oxford educated crowd, here.

Iron Maiden might have more fans than Rush in some backwater, but worldwide but Rush has significantly more total album sales worldwide.

OK, so explain to me this how is 40,000,000 (estimated Rush worldwide album sales) greater than 85,000,000 (estimated Iron Maiden worldwide album sales?

Iron Maiden have a substantially greater following in such backwater countries as India for example, I'm sure you'd include India as being a backwater country.

I like Rush more than Iron Maiden, but I don't like pig ignorance and blind devotion.

I would suggest that you are hardly Harvard or Yale educated, more likely San Dimas Community College.

Jean,,, well said,,,  you just cant beat american ignorance...

the same way they throw their weight around all over the world,, sticking their noses in where its not wanted ( no pun intended findingit )

He goes on about Rush as if the are american,,, they are Canadien,,,, and the ironic thing here is Canadiens cannot stand americans and rush are fleecing the yanks left right and center and laughing at them all the way to the bank...

What the f**k is --------->",,,,,"????

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its called a comma lardarse

That's a personal attack. Don't you read the rules. sarcasm.gif  

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:13 AM

Wow...12 pages in and I'm just discovering this clusterf*ck of a thread. Gee, Roger, does that sound like those guys went running to the mods?

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:41 AM

It looks like the concerned parties have all thrown in an olive branch? Yes? If not, well, how about throwing one in anyway and let's move on.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:44 AM

I can certainly understand the angst over ticket prices for the European shows.  Being an old time Rush fan who has the stubs from my first Rush concert that cost $6.00 back in 1977, I think all things are too expensvie.  I have undoubtably become my father as much as I swore I wouldn't.  "Coke was a nickel!"

In the US this past summer many tours folded up and canceled, even popular ones like the American Idol tour and other normally sold out events geared towards youth that extract parents dollars for such events.  Times are tough.  It's a fact that many artists are faced with no album sales and other streams of money that the tours actual (previous) purpose of acting as a promotion  are now in question as economically feasable.  

There are undoubtably other factors entered in with determing the cost factors involved in overseas tours as well, given the immense expense of travel and security for such a large show.  The fluxuating value of the dollar vs the euro can even effect pricing.

But ultimately, Rush is gambling that the venues will sell enough tickets to turn a profit and if they don't, and especially if pricing subdues attendance they also stand to lose money where as consumers we don't.  I like to "fancy" that band really enjoys touring Europe and those venues and if they can tour and turn a profit, and enable a long time loyal fan base to see them for possibly the last time, (who knows?), I am would support them for trying.  I tend to side with the band on the pricing since ultimately I am not privy to their balance sheet.

So, like anything else, it's a choice we make tied into the value we percieve from the money.  If the concerts sell out, then I can't say they were too expensive as was the case with my $80 tickets in Columbus, Ohio this tour.  And maybe I am just a huge leming fanboy, which is my right, that pays them more homage than they are due, but damn, if that's the case I've been doing it for 33 years and dont regret a penny of the money I spent on over 40 shows and tend to lament not spending more, and would  if given the chance to go back.  And, you know what?  My dad bought Coke his whole life.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:48 AM

spot on Running Rebel  goodpost.gif  

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 11:55 AM

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But ultimately, Rush is gambling that the venues will sell enough tickets to turn a profit and if they don't, and especially if pricing subdues attendance they also stand to lose money where as consumers we don't.



Do you seriously think thats how it works mate ?

Rush are GUARANTEED their fee just like any band is. They could play to half full arenas everywhere and still get the same fee as if it was sold out. It makes no difference to them at all.

Promoters are the ones who take the risks not the artists.



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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Running Rebel @ Nov 26 2010, 11:44 AM)
I can certainly understand the angst over ticket prices for the European shows.  Being an old time Rush fan who has the stubs from my first Rush concert that cost $6.00 back in 1977, I think all things are too expensvie.  I have undoubtably become my father as much as I swore I wouldn't.  "Coke was a nickel!"

In the US this past summer many tours folded up and canceled, even popular ones like the American Idol tour and other normally sold out events geared towards youth that extract parents dollars for such events.  Times are tough.  It's a fact that many artists are faced with no album sales and other streams of money that the tours actual previous purpose of acting as a promotion  are now question economically.  

There are undoubtably other factors entered in with determing the cost factors involved in overseas tours as well, given the immense expense of travel and security for such a large show.  The fluxuating value of the dollar vs the euro can even effect pricing.

But ultimately, Rush is gambling that the venues will sell enough tickets to turn a profit and if they don't, and especially if pricing subdues attendance they also stand to lose money where as consumers we don't.  I like to "fancy" that band really enjoys touring Europe and those venues as if they can tour and turn a profit, and enabling a long time loyal fan base to see them for possibly the last time, (who knows?), I tend to side with the band on the pricing since ultimately I am not privy to their balance sheet.

So, like anything else, it's a choice we make tied into the value we percieve from the money.  If the concerts sell out, then I can't say they were too expensive as was the case with my $80 tickets in Columbus, Ohio this tour.  And maybe I am just a huge leming fanboy, which is my right, that pays them more homage than they are due, but damn, if that's the case I've been doing it for 33 years and dont regret a penny of the money I spent on over 40 shows and tend to lament not spending more, and would  if given the chance to go back.  And, you know what?  My dad bought Coke his whole life.

Yes - what the argument really revolves around is - is the market value price for the shows "unfair".  What lattitude does the band have to control the prices of tickets, especially with many of them being young.

I think in addition to supply and demand, it depends on the money the band expects to make, the actual cost of touring, the amount of total dates they will do, and the kind of deals they work wiht the promoters/venues etc.

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE (AJ71 @ Nov 26 2010, 11:55 AM)
QUOTE (Running Rebel @ Nov 26 2010, 11:44 AM)


But ultimately, Rush is gambling that the venues will sell enough tickets to turn a profit and if they don't, and especially if pricing subdues attendance they also stand to lose money where as consumers we don't.



Do you seriously think thats how it works mate ?

Rush are GUARANTEED their fee just like any band is. They could play to half full arenas everywhere and still get the same fee as if it was sold out. It makes no difference to them at all.

Promoters are the ones who take the risks not the artists.

Thats how I understand it works now, the fee is pre-arranged.  But still, the promoter doesnt want to lose money, so they price the tickets at what they feel the market will bear.  As to whether thats "fair" - thats up to each person I guess.

As with most things, if the price is high, blame your neighbor whose willing to pay that price smile.gif

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 12:05 PM

QUOTE (Running Rebel @ Nov 26 2010, 11:44 AM)
I can certainly understand the angst over ticket prices for the European shows.  Being an old time Rush fan who has the stubs from my first Rush concert that cost $6.00 back in 1977, I think all things are too expensvie.  I have undoubtably become my father as much as I swore I wouldn't.  "Coke was a nickel!"

In the US this past summer many tours folded up and canceled, even popular ones like the American Idol tour and other normally sold out events geared towards youth that extract parents dollars for such events.  Times are tough.  It's a fact that many artists are faced with no album sales and other streams of money that the tours actual previous purpose of acting as a promotion  are now question economically.  

There are undoubtably other factors entered in with determing the cost factors involved in overseas tours as well, given the immense expense of travel and security for such a large show.  The fluxuating value of the dollar vs the euro can even effect pricing.

But ultimately, Rush is gambling that the venues will sell enough tickets to turn a profit and if they don't, and especially if pricing subdues attendance they also stand to lose money where as consumers we don't.  I like to "fancy" that band really enjoys touring Europe and those venues as if they can tour and turn a profit, and enabling a long time loyal fan base to see them for possibly the last time, (who knows?), I tend to side with the band on the pricing since ultimately I am not privy to their balance sheet.

So, like anything else, it's a choice we make tied into the value we percieve from the money.  If the concerts sell out, then I can't say they were too expensive as was the case with my $80 tickets in Columbus, Ohio this tour.  And maybe I am just a huge leming fanboy, which is my right, that pays them more homage than they are due, but damn, if that's the case I've been doing it for 33 years and dont regret a penny of the money I spent on over 40 shows and tend to lament not spending more, and would  if given the chance to go back.  And, you know what?  My dad bought Coke his whole life.

you could also buy a new car for $5,000 back then. I've only been going to concerts for the past 15 years or so, but I've always thought tickets were too expensive. If they come back to North America next year, I'm not sure I'll even be able to see them.




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