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QUOTE (penzman @ Apr 23 2005, 08:45 AM)
The whole situation was created by yet another wanna be cop no brain security guard. It then turned into a mess when the cops got there with their typical annoying attitudes.

Depending on whose side you believe, it was actually caused by alchohol and irresponsible behavior on mostly Justin but also Alex's part. I was a little disappointed in his statement because he didn't apologize or anything for his (alleged) drunken behavior.

 

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QUOTE (rkd @ Apr 23 2005, 10:10 AM)
Depending on whose side you believe, it was actually caused by alchohol and irresponsible behavior on mostly Justin but also Alex's part. I was a little disappointed in his statement because he didn't apologize or anything for his (alleged) drunken behavior.

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It seems as if you haven't been paying attention to what actually happened lately. I know that shortly after the arrest, some reports from the police department came out indicating that the whole thing was Alex and his son's fault. The cops also alleged that Justin and Alex were way out of control. However, as the actual facts of the case became clearer over time, the claims against alex and his family were lessened, lessened and lessened to the point where in one year, alex and his son will have no mark on their record at all.

 

I was curious about your statement that you felt Alex was irresponsible. Do you consider it irresponsible for when Alex ran up the stairs to help his son who had just been tasered (have you ever seen a human being be tasered?? it's not a pretty site) and then getting punched in the face by an cop so forcefully it broke his nose, choked by a cop and falling down the stairs? What exactly did Alex do that was so "irresponsible'?

 

I agree his son was way out of line, and should have been asked to leave, but the only reason for the violence in this case was do to the overreaction of the police.

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QUOTE (penzman @ Apr 23 2005, 08:45 AM)
The whole situation was created by yet another wanna be cop no brain security guard. It then turned into a mess when the cops got there with their typical annoying attitudes.

Hey I work in security and I don't appreciate you making generalizations like that. Yes there are idiots in the field but there are idiots in all kinds of work. Not all security folks are "wanna-be cops". I fargin' hate that term. I for one do not "wanna be a cop".

 

Maybe these guys were out of line, maybe Alex and Justin were too. You nor I were there so for you to generalize like that is pathetic and pre-judgemental. I'm not defending the security people in this particular case because believe me I know some who act all macho and step over the line. I can assure you the majority of my fellow security workers look down on that crap. Hell I laugh at them as well as disapprove of it and have told them so.

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Apr 23 2005, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE (rkd @ Apr 23 2005, 10:10 AM)
Depending on whose side you believe, it was actually caused by alchohol and irresponsible behavior on mostly Justin but also Alex's part. I was a little disappointed in his statement because he didn't apologize or anything for his (alleged) drunken behavior.

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It seems as if you haven't been paying attention to what actually happened lately. I know that shortly after the arrest, some reports from the police department came out indicating that the whole thing was Alex and his son's fault. The cops also alleged that Justin and Alex were way out of control. However, as the actual facts of the case became clearer over time, the claims against alex and his family were lessened, lessened and lessened to the point where in one year, alex and his son will have no mark on their record at all.

 

I was curious about your statement that you felt Alex was irresponsible. Do you consider it irresponsible for when Alex ran up the stairs to help his son who had just been tasered (have you ever seen a human being be tasered?? it's not a pretty site) and then getting punched in the face by an cop so forcefully it broke his nose, choked by a cop and falling down the stairs? What exactly did Alex do that was so "irresponsible'?

 

I agree his son was way out of line, and should have been asked to leave, but the only reason for the violence in this case was do to the overreaction of the police.

Seeing as none of us were there, it's a matter of opinion as to who's the victim and who's the bullies. I personally believe that Justin (and possibly Alex to some degree, but again none of us were there) was/were drunk and Justin went up on stage being obnoxious as someone who is drunk tends to generally be. I don't think that the police all of the sudden snapped and treated him like he was a terrorist screaming bomb threats though, but again we weren't there.

I can understand Alex wanting to protect his son and trying to stop the police, but we will never know what happened inside that stairwell. You can believe the eyewitness who says it was police brutality, or you can believe otherwise. I've heard stories of police brutality but I just don't think the police in this incident would have just automatically started beating Alex up for no reason at all, as they make it out to be. Maybe Alex tried to forcefully help free his son? We'll never know, but I think at the very least Justin should apologize for his actions, and Alex could have simply admitted that (possibly he and) his son screwed up but instead it seemed like it was all the polices fault... making it like they didn't do a single thing at all.

 

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QUOTE (penzman @ Apr 23 2005, 08:45 AM)
The whole situation was created by yet another wanna be cop no brain security guard. It then turned into a mess when the cops got there with their typical annoying attitudes.

Hey I work in security and I don't appreciate you making generalizations like that. Yes there are idiots in the field but there are idiots in all kinds of work. Not all security folks are "wanna-be cops". I fargin' hate that term. I for one do not "wanna be a cop".

 

Maybe these guys were out of line, maybe Alex and Justin were too. You nor I were there so for you to generalize like that is pathetic and pre-judgemental. I'm not defending the security people in this particular case because believe me I know some who act all macho and step over the line. I can assure you the majority of my fellow security workers look down on that crap. Hell I laugh at them as well as disapprove of it and have told them so.

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QUOTE (rkd @ Apr 23 2005, 10:58 AM)
Seeing as none of us were there, it's a matter of opinion as to who's the victim and who's the bullies. I personally believe that Justin (and possibly Alex to some degree, but again none of us were there) was/were drunk and Justin went up on stage being obnoxious as someone who is drunk tends to generally be. I don't think that the police all of the sudden snapped and treated him like he was a terrorist screaming bomb threats though, but again we weren't there.
I can understand Alex wanting to protect his son and trying to stop the police, but we will never know what happened inside that stairwell. You can believe the eyewitness who says it was police brutality, or you can believe otherwise. I've heard stories of police brutality but I just don't think the police in this incident would have just automatically started beating Alex up for no reason at all, as they make it out to be. Maybe Alex tried to forcefully help free his son? We'll never know, but I think at the very least Justin should apologize for his actions, and Alex could have simply admitted that (possibly he and) his son screwed up but instead it seemed like it was all the polices fault... making it like they didn't do a single thing at all.

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I see what the problem is, because you personally werent there, and initially there were some claims by certain people against Alex, that you refuse to look at the facts any further and have decided that "no one" knows what happened. That's obviously your choice and if that's cool with you, so be it.

 

I, on the other hand, have actually followed what has happened in the case very closely from the beginning all the way to its conclusion. I know what was originally claimed by the police, and I also know that when the prosecutors took over the case they didn't believe most of what the police said about Alex and his son and immediately dropped all of the most serious charges. I also know that at trial, the prosecutors only had one witness who supported their claims, and refused to call two out of the three cops that were in the stairwell as witnesses. The facts that actually came out at trial were so ridiculous, that the Judge didn't tossed out ANY suggestion that Justin resisted violently, as there were no facts introduced into evidence at trial that Justin did anything violent. Why on earth would the cops taser someone if they weren't violent?

 

Yes, Alex son shouldn't have been acting like an ass, but to suggest that our police should be tasering someone who is not acting violently is preposterous. Alex alleged "crimes" didn't occur until he watched his son being zapped (when he wasn't being violent); and the evidence as to what happened after Justin was zapped all points to a normal reaction by a human being to his son being unjustled harmed like he was. The only witness in the stairwell without an agenda said alex rushed up the stairs and was promptly smashed in the nose by a cop. He was then choked by the female officer, and both tumbled down the stairs. Again, this is confirmed by a disinterested witness.

 

One of the benefits of this thing being dragged out for so long, and also that Justin's trial was started and witnesses testified under oath, is that we do have a better idea of what actually happened. Just because 14 months ago a "report" came out by the police making it seem as if this was something other than the police acting like a bunch of idiots, doesn't make it so.

 

It's true that you have chosen not to follow and analyze what has happened in the case after its inception, and that is your choice. I don't mean to seem so harsh, and I apoligize if I came off that way. But, to me, any rational human being who looks carefully at exactly what has transpired in this case can only come to a conclusion similar to mine.

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????????

 

They should've been hamstrung!!!!!!!!!!!

 

haha kidding...........

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Thank you, Pedro. Very well said.

 

A lot of people on the boards who are cops or otherwise in security seem to bristle at the thought that one of their own could do such a thing. Maybe that's because they themselves are honorable people and wouldn't consider acting that way, so it's hard for them to conceive of someone else behaving so unprofessionally.

 

To the truly caring, brave officers who uphold the laws of the USA with grace and dignity, I give my thanks.

 

To the few who behave below their calling, I wish them a mini-vacation with Bubba...

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QUOTE (pedro2112 @ Apr 23 2005, 10:23 AM)
QUOTE (rkd @ Apr 23 2005, 10:58 AM)
Seeing as none of us were there, it's a matter of opinion as to who's the victim and who's the bullies. I personally believe that Justin (and possibly Alex to some degree, but again none of us were there) was/were drunk and Justin went up on stage being obnoxious as someone who is drunk tends to generally be. I don't think that the police all of the sudden snapped and treated him like he was a terrorist screaming bomb threats though, but again we weren't there.
I can understand Alex wanting to protect his son and trying to stop the police, but we will never know what happened inside that stairwell. You can believe the eyewitness who says it was police brutality, or you can believe otherwise. I've heard stories of police brutality but I just don't think the police in this incident would have just automatically started beating Alex up for no reason at all, as they make it out to be. Maybe Alex tried to forcefully help free his son? We'll never know, but I think at the very least Justin should apologize for his actions, and Alex could have simply admitted that (possibly he and) his son screwed up but instead it seemed like it was all the polices fault... making it like they didn't do a single thing at all.

Remember, my opinion smile.gif.

I see what the problem is, because you personally werent there, and initially there were some claims by certain people against Alex, that you refuse to look at the facts any further and have decided that "no one" knows what happened. That's obviously your choice and if that's cool with you, so be it.

I haven't 'refused to look at the facts any further', I just know that the entire thing could have been avoided had Justin not started it, and I just think either him and/or Alex should have apologized for the entire situation. I'm not siding with the police because I know there are some cops who should never have gotten their badges in the first place, but in the end it boils down to the police's (most likely) over-reaction to whatever degree to Justin's behaviour.

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Good to see this incident has been dispensed with appropriately - since none of us were there its hard to say who was right or wrong.

 

It appears the police overacted but it also looks like Alex did too - but who hasn't after too many beers. This incident required a slap on the wrists for both of them and that's what happened.

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QUOTE (Milton Bridge @ Apr 25 2005, 02:22 PM)
Good to see this incident has been dispensed with appropriately - since none of us were there its hard to say who was right or wrong.

It appears the police overacted but it also looks like Alex did too - but who hasn't after too many beers. This incident required a slap on the wrists for both of them and that's what happened.

I think the police deserve more than a slap on the wrist. They seriously abused their authority and basically tortured two people for a minor incident that could have been handled quietly if some common sense had been used.

 

The one cop said that they weren't even sure how many times they tased Alex!

 

They tased Justin because he moved his arm. I'm sure they knew by then that he had no weapon.

 

Why they arrested Michelle at all is a mystery, unless it was to frighten her into silence because she was a witness to the debacle.

 

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QUOTE (Schro @ Apr 21 2005, 11:16 AM)
If only one of them had a cowbell handy - it woulda taken the tension out of the entire situation.

Seriously, I'm glad this ended without much fanfare. While the ending was sort of expected, you never know with these things.

The way my luck goes, the judge's girlfriend would have dumped him the night before, and he'd be looking to take it out on someone the next day in court.


Judge: Schro, if that's your real name, I see here that you were smoking in the NON-smoking section in a restaurant?

Schro: I wasn't smoking. It was my steak fajitas - THEY were smoking. I've never touched a cigarette in my life!!

Judge: Right. I love the stories you defendants come up with. How do you plead?

Schro: INNOCENT!! IS IT NOT OBVIOUS I'M INNOCENT?? WHAT KIND OF COURT SYSTEM DO WE HAVE HERE?

Judge: Uh huh. Funny how everyone who comes in here is innocent. I'm going to be nice and sentence you to life in prison in a Federal Penitentury garnished with solitary confinement.

Schro: WHAT?! WHAT'S NICE ABOUT LIFE IN PRISON??

Judge: What's nice about it is that if you believe in reincarnation, you've got your next life to look forward to! Get it? HAHAHAHA - I crack myself up. [bangs gavel] Take him away bailiff - I want to get out early today. Next case!


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Schro..an instant classic!! i'm only sorry i didn't notice it til i looked up all the posts you've made..but only to see if you'd posted any more of your whimsical stories! laugh.gif

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QUOTE (robertkincaid96 @ Apr 21 2005, 10:18 AM)
There is also a statement at www.naplesdailynews.com from Alex!!



Rush guitarist, son enter pleas to reduced charges
By JOHN HENDERSON, jfhenderson@naplesnews.com
April 21, 2005

The lead guitarist for the rock group Rush and his son accepted plea agreements on Thursday morning in which they will serve no jail time on charges related to a New Year's Eve 2003 altercation with Collier County Sheriff's deputies.

Alex Zivojinovich, known on stage as Alex Lifeson, and his son Justin, will serve 12 months probation and pay court costs as part of the agreement.

The state made the offer a day after a judge reduced the third-degree felony charge that Justin was facing down to a misdemeanor charge. The felony could have resulted in him serving five years in prison.

The agreement calls for Alex and Justin to plead no contest to a single misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest without violence. Adjudication is being withheld, meaning there will not be a formal conviction on their records if probation is successfully completed.

Zivojinovich and his son were at the bash at the Ritz-Carlton, Naples hotel ringing in New Year's Eve 2004 when the altercation with deputies occurred.

Justin and his friends agitated hotel security when they got up on the platform where the house band was taking a break. Security called deputies, who ended up escorting Justin out of the hotel. A deputy testified that he felt threatened as he was escorting Justin out of the hotel when Justin broke one of his arms free from a grip deputies had behind his back.

Senior Circuit Judge Charles T. Carlton ruled Wednesday that this act was not enough for the third-degree resisting arrest with "violence" charge to stand. Prosecutors said the case against Alex involved many of the same witnesses, which is why they decided to offer the plea.

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Any how: glad te read this ordeal is over!

 

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