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#1 MainMonkey

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:17 AM

Sorry if this has been discussed. I searched and didn't see anything. I might take some lumps for saying this but it sounds to me like Ged's voice is tremendously weakened this tour. I've noticed in listening to some shows on this tour his voice cracks alot. Believe me, i'm not bashing the man. He's out there giving all he has as all three are. I just think all of these years of singing live and trying to hit high notes is finally catching up. It really saddens me to say this because I believe they'd tour into there 70's if they could put on a Rush caliber show. IMO Geddy Lee's voice just won't allow it to go on much longer. Again I'm not trying to trash the man. We all get old.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:04 AM

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OK, here's the thing.  I've paid a lot of attention to Geddy's voice for many years, and that includes learning things I'd like to avoid as a singer through listening to him. (For example he has used vibrato as a crutch to maintain pitch, not just for expression, which I abhor in myself; and similarly I would never do that flip-yodel thing he does to move to different notes sometimes.) So I'm actually not THAT biased.

Geddy smoked into the '80s and began taking lessons by the late '90s.  Starting with probably Signals, especially with his live performance, he started to adapt to the fact that he could no longer scream the way he used to. His unaided approach to this evolved into a very clean but thin sound, in which his chest voice (meaning not falsetto, but he's only dabbled in that anyway) resonated almost completely in his head.  Your sinuses are like an amp.  I enjoy that sound a lot.

However, as they became Harder Music again in the '90s, he seems to have developed a desire for more resonance.  He's been moving toward that since the '97 tour or possibly the '94. Going for this actually results in more cracks and warbles because your voice is resonating deeper, in your actual chest and in all of your throat; you're like a cannon instead of a Beretta, the power's greater but you have less control if you're still learning.  I think that's why he developed the yodelly transition he uses between some notes to avoid an uncontrolled crack.  

This tour has been my favorite vocally since he switched approaches, so probably since the Presto tour.  The resonance has increased a lot and he's started to be able to get that WHILE enunciating the lyrics, which seems to be an ongoing issue.  The cracks and warbles you heard this year are either 1) something he's passing off as expression that's really a bit of a crutch, or 2) genuine mistakes that I think are much better to make than to go back to the cracky thinner sound of the TFE thru SnA tours.

So, he knows he's aging, and has been taking steps to preserve things as well as possible, often by altering the way he sings.

Edited by Kugel, 12 September 2010 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2010 - 12:53 PM

I don't know what you're talking about, he was spot on in Columbus this year. He nailed the bridge to Freewill and ALL of 2112/Temples (though I know its in a lowered key). All I'm saying is his performance was so good that his voice was never even an issue the entire night.
He's heading on 60 and has been touring for 35+ years. Give the man a break.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 01:33 PM

I agree with Monkey boy, Geddy's voice is sailing south. It's wavering and cracking and ignoring it for nostalgia's sake is whistling past the microphone.

I love the man too, but it is what is. And it is a 60 year old vocal chords trying to hit notes that were incredibly high to begin with. Can't wait for the WPB show!

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:23 PM

I think that his voice has evolved over the years to a more unique sound. I think that the peak was around the T4E tour. Sure, he ain't gonna hit those notes in Syrynz like he did in 76. In fact, I noticed he took it down as early as GUP-probably earlier. I read somewhere that they recorded Hemispheres and he realized that the vocals were so high and had trouble hitting them on that tour. I prefer his voice from PeW-CP. I think that that was his best. As far as failing, I think he sounds great on the stuff from the aforementioned period. I will forgive him Syrynx and the bridge to Free Will. I can't hit them either.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:26 PM

I agree, after he stopped screaming (it really did suck in certain live shows (see Cygnus X-1, Geddy's painfully over the place, in NUMEROUS versions) it really just got better.

Had he kept screaming, he would be like Ozzy Osbourne. No voice.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:30 PM

Yeah he had to stop screaming to make sure his voice turned out as good as it did today.  

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 04:01 PM

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 04:14 PM

I've been a bit worried about Ged's voice over the past few tours myself - but I agree with the post in here that says he kicked @ss at the Columbus show.  His voice was in top form.  He nailed those high notes in the bridge of (that one song... SPOILER...).  The crowd then proceeded to blow the roof off the place.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Tigershark2112 @ Sep 12 2010, 12:53 PM)
I don't know what you're talking about, he was spot on in Columbus this year. He nailed the bridge to Freewill and ALL of 2112/Temples (though I know its in a lowered key). All I'm saying is his performance was so good that his voice was never even an issue the entire night.
He's heading on 60 and has been touring for 35+ years. Give the man a break.

As I said, i'm not trying to trash him. I do realize how long he's been touring and am very aware of how old he is. That's just my point. I think age and touring are catching up with him. I definately wouldn't expect him to hit those 2112 notes like he did in '76. Having said that, there is no way I'll miss them if they come near my area next year. They didn't hit Virginia Beach this go around. Never said they don't put on a kick ass show every time. Which makes me respect Geddy Lee even more because I do feel his voice is beginning to fail him and he's still doing his best to belt out the difficult notes.  

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:21 PM

He's going to have to stop singing certain songs soon, or they're gonna need to take it a step down.

The first thing to go, is usually the voice. As much touring as Rush has done over the years (While not as heavy as AC/DC or Black Sabbath) and with Geddy's voice still doing pretty good.

I'll take what I can get. Except, TSOR. f***ing take it a notch down, he sounds pretty bad there. :/

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Tigershark2112 @ Sep 12 2010, 12:53 PM)
I don't know what you're talking about, he was spot on in Columbus this year. He nailed the bridge to Freewill and ALL of 2112/Temples (though I know its in a lowered key). All I'm saying is his performance was so good that his voice was never even an issue the entire night.
He's heading on 60 and has been touring for 35+ years. Give the man a break.

Yes he sounded great during the Columbus show

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:30 PM

Here's what I don't get: Geddy was in TOP TOP form on S&A Live, almost as good as on R30, just a bit lower, because of the nasal notes.

And then on the SECOND leg, (after a LONG winter break.) he just doesn't sound as good. His intonation is horrible on some shows, and he just sounds plain tired.

Listen to the Atlanta Bootleg DVD (S&A L Disc 3). Or, most shows. Jacksonville, Orlando, Maryland Heights or whatever it's called.
Reno.

He just sounds bad. :/ I feel sorry for him too.

Oh well, like everyone says. He ain't gettin' any younger.

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:36 PM

What a bunch of horse manure!  

Grow up!

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:17 PM

Well, Geddy might not be the singer he was 30 years ago, but his performance at PNC a couple of weeks ago was effing wonderful.  His singing these days might not be particularly technically proficient, but it is full of guts and heart, and it sounds bloody great to this particular lover of the vocal arts.  

And he did NAIL the bridge of Freewill that night as well, so there! tongue.gif  2.gif  

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE (GeddysMullet @ Sep 12 2010, 08:17 PM)
Well, Geddy might not be the singer he was 30 years ago, but his performance at PNC a couple of weeks ago was effing wonderful.  His singing these days might not be particularly technically proficient, but it is full of guts and heart, and it sounds bloody great to this particular lover of the vocal arts. 

And he did NAIL the bridge of Freewill that night as well, so there! tongue.gif  2.gif

yeah, what Mullet says!  I love hearing Geddy sing and hitting the notes as much now as I did 36 years ago.  His voice and vocal style has matured and I love it  coy.gif  

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 01:44 AM

I think he still sounds alright. If I have any criticism at all, it would be that he doesn't enunciate quite as much in places.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:07 AM

QUOTE (dakota2112 @ Sep 12 2010, 04:14 PM)
I've been a bit worried about Ged's voice over the past few tours myself - but I agree with the post in here that says he kicked @ss at the Columbus show.  His voice was in top form.  He nailed those high notes in the bridge of (that one song... SPOILER...).  The crowd then proceeded to blow the roof off the place.

Same in Minneapolis... I mean Saint Paul, which I won't diss because Petie might be listening from that town next door  wink.gif  If there had been a roof it would have blown.  He nailed it.  To me, (this one song I guess I need to not spoil) was the only slightly vocally problematic song he had at that show; and I was listening Very. f***ing. Carefully. wub.gif

Edited by Kugel, 13 September 2010 - 11:28 AM.


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Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:17 AM

He's sounded great at the three shows I have seen.  Dead on in SLC, only one or two parts where he missed a note in Auburn, WA, and then again dead on in Vegas.  I'll let you know how Dallas is.  

And, even if he sucks, I'll still bow down and worship the man.  Not only do I think he is one of the most amazing musicians to ever walk the planet, he's pretty damn sexy to boot!  drool1.gif  laugh.gif  

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 04:52 AM

I think it's not so much his voice going, as his voice becoming less reliable. He can still hit the notes perfectly on a good day, but he has more off-days than in the past.

Doesn't make him any less enjoyable to listen to though!




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