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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:07 AM

QUOTE (test4eggroll @ Jul 22 2010, 10:02 AM)
Lets ask the question:  Best RUSH songs to listen to while high?

In The Mood
Madrigal
Tai Shan
Superconductor
Everyday Glory
Virtuality
The Larger Bowl


^ THAT mix tape will sound AWESOME for you

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 22 2010, 09:33 AM)
contrary to popular belief, pot does not 'enhance' anyone's experience when listening to music (or anything else)

what it does do is alter your perception of the experience

and yeah, I 'get' that if that altered perception seems like a personal upgrade over listening to music sober, then you'll likely refer to the experience as 'better'

semantics aside, what you're actually experiencing is a profound decrease in cognitive function - in other words, you're 'dumbing' your brain down so that it's more easily impressed

examples:

> Kool-Aid is suddenly 'the best fcking thing you EVER drank!'

> Al Franken is 'the funniest comedian in the world'

> Celine Dion is 'so SMOKING hot, dude - I never realized it'

> the solo in 'The Pass' is 'absolutely hands down the best guitar solo ever - in fact, dude, listen...sssssh!! listen... dude, no - it's even the best guitar TONE in the world ever!'

^ if you've been high, you've been there

there's nothing wrong, per se, with getting 'stupid' to enjoy things more, but it's a merely chemical trick

nothing more

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^ if you've been high, you've been there


Yes, yes, oh God yes.   yes.gif


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the solo in 'The Pass' is 'absolutely hands down the best guitar solo ever - in fact, dude, listen...sssssh!! listen... dude, no - it's even the best guitar TONE in the world ever!


rofl3.gif  Spoken like a true stoner.


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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:16 AM

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I quit smoking pot in 1998, but I in my early Rush days(daze) I enjoyed the enhancement it gave me. I just had enough by the late 90's and said bye bye to smoking weed.

Good for you! I used to smoke A LOT in Jr. High (many moons ago) but finally got to the point where the paranoia factor was just too much for me. Since then I've had it a couple times over the years and each of those times, afterwards, I wish I hadn't. The problem with it for me, outside of it being illegal, is I can have 2-3 beers or a couple of drinks and have a nice 'buzz' if I want. I can't smoke pot and have a 'buzz'. If I smoke it.....I'm WASTED! Doesn't matter if it's a little or a lot....I'm WASTED! It's in control of me! The  2.gif es (falling feeling), the way it takes over your thinking processes, the paranoia ...all that adds up to a feeling I don't like.

Much rather this  trink38.gif  - over this  cool10.gif

This couldve been written by me; its my experience, too.

I was a wastoid my junior year of high school; I got high every day before and after school, during lunch period, etc.  And the weekends?  Forget it!  It was my goal to experience EVERYTHING through the altered perception of marijuana.  But then I started having panic attacks.  Ive tried it a handful of times since then, but immediately after getting high I want to come down; its just not a fun feeling to be that paranoid.  I get thinking too much, looking for how things relate to each other, looking for connections between one thing and another, then start thinking about thinking, then thinking about how Im thinking too much, and all the while afraid people are talking about me behind my back and that Im going to die or something.  I also get religious/God thoughts that freak me out, and I begin to think Im going insane.  If thats how other people react to the stuff and thats fun for them, more power to them.  To me its not fun at all.  Why do it if the entire time Im thinking I want to come down.  I want to come down?

trink39.gif Right there with ya! "Wonder what the hell he/she meant by that comment?" That one ever pop into your head when stoned? Or maybe I should ask, how often did that pop into your head?

Looking for deeper meanings into things, the relation between things, analyzing everyones behavioral motives for everything they say and do... too much thinking!

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Tell me about it. Last time I smoked, I became so paranoid that I was going to have a heart attack and came THIS CLOSE to calling an ambulance. And no, I'm not joking.


I still vividly remember my first panic attack while I was stoned and how scary it was.  My heart was beating out of my chest and I was sure I was going to die... which only adds to the panic and creates a vicious cycle.  I almost went to my mother that night and confessed everything: Mom, I smoke marijuana, Im high right now, and I think Im about to die.  (My mom wouldve flipped; she makes no distinction between marijuana and the harder drugs, and doesnt understand the huge difference between doing weed and doing heroin.)  I almost wrote a note for her to find in the morning, explaining what had happened that caused me to die in the night.

Another part of the panic attack experience I had that night, which I still cant explain: I also had this auditory hallucination thing going on.  There was this surging sound that kept traveling up my body (I could feel the sound) and would ring in my ears.  It was freaking me out; I wanted the sound to stop, but it kept surging into my ears.  (Your head is humming and it wont go, in case you dont know.  The Pipers calling you to join him.  More religious/God delusions: I heard those lyrics and thought that rock bands were leaving clues to their audience about a mystical religious death experience... and that I was having that death experience!  The humming in my ears meant the Piper was going to take me to some strange Afterlife or something, but I was going to die first.  Scary!  You see how paranoid and crazy these ideas were?  Delusional!  But thats how Id think when I got stoned.  I was going to die, or go insane, or die of insanity.  I was going to Syd Barrett Land.)

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:16 AM

"SAVE Lives... Legalize Pot... Ban Alcohol..  "


Yessssss....couldn't agree more. At the hospital where I work, I see a great deal of folks that are suffering and dying from alcohol, long term use (liver failure, etc), and short term use(car accidents and alcohol poisoning). Yet, for as many years as I have been there, no marajuana related issues. I can tell you that the long term drunks have been a very large burden to our health system (taxpayer money) as they do not pay for their healthcare since they just drink all day instead of being employed (i guess some have no choice?) The stoners will definately contribute to the economy by purchasing snacks laugh.gif  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:55 AM

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The most weed I've ever seen at one time was at a Bob Dylan show. When he played Rainy Day Women the whole place went up in smoke.

I'd have to be high as a kite - on that fine line between barely alert and comatose -  to get through two hours of Dylan.

trink39.gif I'm with you on that one! I have a good deal of respect for the man, but a little Bob Dylan, like cilantro, goes a long way for me.

I can listen to Dylan all day long and often do.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:26 PM

QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jul 22 2010, 12:55 PM)
QUOTE (bigalfan @ Jul 22 2010, 09:05 AM)
QUOTE (Mara @ Jul 22 2010, 08:28 AM)
QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jul 22 2010, 03:17 AM)
The most weed I've ever seen at one time was at a Bob Dylan show. When he played Rainy Day Women the whole place went up in smoke.

I'd have to be high as a kite - on that fine line between barely alert and comatose -  to get through two hours of Dylan.

trink39.gif I'm with you on that one! I have a good deal of respect for the man, but a little Bob Dylan, like cilantro, goes a long way for me.

I can listen to Dylan all day long and often do.

Dylan is pretty much a love-him-or-hate-him thing in terms of his singing.  I don't know ANYONE who doesn't have respect and admiration for his songwriting skills, though.  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:40 PM

QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 22 2010, 06:33 AM)
contrary to popular belief, pot does not 'enhance' anyone's experience when listening to music (or anything else)

what it does do is alter your perception of the experience

and yeah, I 'get' that if that altered perception seems like a personal upgrade over listening to music sober, then you'll likely refer to the experience as 'better'

semantics aside, what you're actually experiencing is a profound decrease in cognitive function - in other words, you're 'dumbing' your brain down so that it's more easily impressed

examples:

> Kool-Aid is suddenly 'the best fcking thing you EVER drank!'

> Al Franken is 'the funniest comedian in the world'

> Celine Dion is 'so SMOKING hot, dude - I never realized it'

> the solo in 'The Pass' is 'absolutely hands down the best guitar solo ever - in fact, dude, listen...sssssh!! listen... dude, no - it's even the best guitar TONE in the world ever!'

^ if you've been high, you've been there

there's nothing wrong, per se, with getting 'stupid' to enjoy things more, but it's a merely chemical trick

nothing more

Thank you sir, for one of the funniest posts I've ever had the pleasure of reading on this fine forum.  rofl3.gif  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:48 PM

Rush has got to smoke pot.  That would explain why they have all those rotisserie chickens on stage- munchy time! common001.gif  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:04 PM

It's a flower touched by flame.......  cool10.gif




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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:14 PM

Drugs are bad...M'kay?

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 22 2010, 09:33 AM)
contrary to popular belief, pot does not 'enhance' anyone's experience when listening to music (or anything else)

what it does do is alter your perception of the experience

and yeah, I 'get' that if that altered perception seems like a personal upgrade over listening to music sober, then you'll likely refer to the experience as 'better'

semantics aside, what you're actually experiencing is a profound decrease in cognitive function - in other words, you're 'dumbing' your brain down so that it's more easily impressed

examples:

> Kool-Aid is suddenly 'the best fcking thing you EVER drank!'

> Al Franken is 'the funniest comedian in the world'

> Celine Dion is 'so SMOKING hot, dude - I never realized it'

> the solo in 'The Pass' is 'absolutely hands down the best guitar solo ever - in fact, dude, listen...sssssh!! listen... dude, no - it's even the best guitar TONE in the world ever!'

^ if you've been high, you've been there

there's nothing wrong, per se, with getting 'stupid' to enjoy things more, but it's a merely chemical trick

nothing more

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Well said. No, really.  smile.gif

Especially about listening to parts of songs and breaking the tracks down in your head. "No, really". Trying to share the awesomeness of what you hear with others...  laugh.gif




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Posted 22 July 2010 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jul 21 2010, 04:36 PM)
People have been getting high for as long as there have been concerts.


I wouldn't expect that to change in the forseeable future.

Can't say it better then that.  cool10.gif
One reason why I posted before I don't think kids under 10 should be taken to concerts. Not that the contact high won't help to keep them calm and behaved but.........  wink.gif  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (roadqueen @ Jul 22 2010, 01:59 PM)
QUOTE (-D-RocK- @ Jul 21 2010, 04:36 PM)
People have been getting high for as long as there have been concerts.


I wouldn't expect that to change in the forseeable future.

Can't say it better then that.  cool10.gif
One reason why I posted before I don't think kids under 10 should be taken to concerts. Not that the contact high won't help to keep them calm and behaved but.........  wink.gif

yeah it's funny how I always see families with small kids at Rush shows, as if they're going to the circus or something. It's a ROCK CONCERT. Yeah it's Rush so it's not gonna be too crazy, but still.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (yyz98 @ Jul 22 2010, 11:16 AM)
...at the hospital where I work, I see a great deal of folks that are suffering and dying from alcohol, long term use (liver failure, etc), and short term use(car accidents and alcohol poisoning). Yet, for as many years as I have been there, no marajuana related issues.

the 'empirical' data set you presented above is acutely flawed (but I bet you knew that, didn't you? wink.gif )

it is far more difficult to immediately attribute:
asthma
mouth cancer
lung cancer
anxiety
depression
schizophrenia

^ to marijuana than it is to attribute:
liver failure
alcohol-related car accidents
alcohol poisoning

^ to alcohol

just because it's effects aren't as obviously recognized/diagnosed, or as easily recognizable and attributable, and aren't as reported by patients (remember, marijuana is still 'illegal') does not make marijuana less dangerous/harmful than alcohol

a specious argument, my friend

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Mara @ Jul 22 2010, 11:26 AM)
QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jul 22 2010, 12:55 PM)
QUOTE (bigalfan @ Jul 22 2010, 09:05 AM)
QUOTE (Mara @ Jul 22 2010, 08:28 AM)
QUOTE (amish_ashaman @ Jul 22 2010, 03:17 AM)
The most weed I've ever seen at one time was at a Bob Dylan show. When he played Rainy Day Women the whole place went up in smoke.

I'd have to be high as a kite - on that fine line between barely alert and comatose -  to get through two hours of Dylan.

trink39.gif I'm with you on that one! I have a good deal of respect for the man, but a little Bob Dylan, like cilantro, goes a long way for me.

I can listen to Dylan all day long and often do.

Dylan is pretty much a love-him-or-hate-him thing in terms of his singing.  I don't know ANYONE who doesn't have respect and admiration for his songwriting skills, though.

I may be in the minority here but I actually LIKE Dylan's singing voice. At least it's different sounding and not cookie-cutter synth-crap that sounds like everyone else these days.  For him tho it's ALWAYS been about what he is saying not how he says it.

He's brilliant.  

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE (ghostworks @ Jul 22 2010, 02:30 PM)
QUOTE (yyz98 @ Jul 22 2010, 11:16 AM)
...at the hospital where I work, I see a great deal of folks that are suffering and dying from alcohol, long term use (liver failure, etc), and short term use(car accidents and alcohol poisoning). Yet, for as many years as I have been there, no marajuana related issues.

the 'empirical' data set you presented above is acutely flawed (but I bet you knew that, didn't you? wink.gif )

it is far more difficult to immediately attribute:
asthma
mouth cancer
lung cancer
anxiety
depression
schizophrenia

^ to marijuana than it is to attribute:
liver failure
alcohol-related car accidents
alcohol poisoning

^ to alcohol

just because it's effects aren't as obviously recognized/diagnosed, or as easily recognizable and attributable, and aren't as reported by patients (remember, marijuana is still 'illegal') does not make marijuana less dangerous/harmful than alcohol

a specious argument, my friend

[and you should know better]

Yea, there must be tons of medical journals where there is reference to marijuana being the contributing factor to these health issue's, but the quick search I did I couldn't find any. But there must be some type of direct connection recorded somewhere, if maybe you could give us a link to those results that would be wonderful.  applaudit.gif

asthma
mouth cancer
lung cancer
anxiety
depression
schizophrenia

But, since you say so,
I'm convinced that most of these diseases are caused by smoking pot,
since you say so



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Posted 22 July 2010 - 06:59 PM

Here's a little tip for those wanting to partake at a show without offending everyone around, calling attention to yourself, and doing your lungs a little favor.

http://www.vaporwarehouse.com/magic_flight_vaporizer.html

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:20 PM

ghostworks - great post - you hit it dead on - I agree it doesn't make it better, but the perception makes you in tune or in line with it and you hear shit you never heard before.  You focus on the music and nothing else.  You hear notes you never heard before with this focus.  So it comes across as better or maybe just a better experience.  

So yeah, for me it makes the music sound better.  I can't say that I have ever listened to anything stoned though and said later that it sucked.  Maybe not as good or for video not as funny, but sucked - no.  No different than jokes with friends - yeah that wa really funny when we were stoned.  Not so funny now that Joe broke his arm, but still funny.

The ACC comment early - Back in 2007 i saw Rush at ACC and lit up right in my seat with my friends.  I guess I really didn't care at the time.  first time i lit up at a show in 20 years.  Did not get dragged out by anyone - which was good.  So this year we came preapared, but I wa cautious and decided against it.  None the less there was the hotel before and after the show.  I enjoyed myself just the same and the music was just as good.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:21 PM

From the sound of some of the marijuana trips a lot of you guys claim to have had, it sounds like you've been getting some laced shit.

As to the ghostworks marijuana does not cause anxiety/depression/schizophrenia/any other mental dissorder it may only awaken one if you already  have one.

Yes, I agree with the poster who said that THC simply tricks the mind making it more easily impressed. Although what's wrong with that?
On a side note, while listening to Bastille Day under the influence I realized how f***ing awesome the drums sound.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE (Paulp Fiction @ Jul 22 2010, 09:21 PM)
From the sound of some of the marijuana trips a lot of you guys claim to have had, it sounds like you've been getting some laced shit.

These panic attacks and bouts of paranoia arent from the weed being laced or being bad weed.  These types of behaviors and fears are caused by the weed being reaped/picked at the wrong time in its life cycle.  




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