laughedatbytime Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 17-9 Damn! I knew it!This poll is totally :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: :codger: . Us: Why should you have a rule that negatively impacts the offensive side of the game by making a defensive specialist do something he rarely practices at a high level?Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger:Us: But look at the stats. In 2013, pitchers hit .132. In 2014, they hit .122. According to Baseball America, pitchers have never compared less favorably to non-pitchers in terms of batting in the DH era.Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger: Us: But pitchers get out over 86% of the time they come to the plate. Simply put, pretty much every pitcher is an offensive liability.Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger: Us: Even 2/3 of managers support expanding DH to the NL, in large part because pitchers don't really practice batting much anymore, even at the minor league level.Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger: Us: OK, let's talk economics. Baseball is losing fan interest. Compared to other sports, it's slow and low-scoring. Having a guaranteed out in the line-up hardly addresses that issue.Them: That's the way the game is meant to be played! :codger: Us: :facepalm:Us: Chicks dig the long ball Them: But the DH takes a strategic element out of the game. Us: Watching a pitcher hit is boring. It makes me want to post a picture of my dinner on Facebook. Them: A pitcher who can hit can sometimes stay in the game longer than one who can't thereby adding an element of skill and differentiation between pitchers. And he can help himself. Us: I don't understand the double switch. It's totally too hard to understand. Let me take a selfie instead. Oh and some catchers and middle infielders are just embarrassing at the plate. Instagram time. I think the best hitter on a team should be all time hitter and there should be invisible baserunners and stuff #totallynotboringtaylorswiftmightevenwatchifwedidthis Them: But then half innings would take longer and there would be more time between Kiss Cam. Us: Oh, yeah right. OMG! OK, well you old men purists have to give up your insistence that there be four balls for a walk and three strikes. That totally slows down the game. Them: Us: They actually believe that the double switch is complicated strategy that might be hard for someone to understand? Them: You seem to have forgotten that a large portion of AL fans root for the Red Sox and Yankees. Understanding simple concepts is not a given. Hahahaha, thats hilarious!http://www.moonbattery.com/Red-Sox_fan.jpg The asshole gene is strong with this one...Nah, I think we can chalk this one up to environment. It takes a village... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Snopes is so popular for a reason. http://i3.kym-cdn.co...INGER_CHILD.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense.Is that why they call all of the outfielders and infielders into the dugout when the pitcher hits? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Either get rid of the DH or make it the rule for both leagues. This AL/NL different rules is bullshit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Edited November 3, 2015 by troutman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Here's a different way of thinking of it. If you remove the DH, then you have a bunch of old, poor fielding hacks having to play in the field which negatively affects play. I'm for rule consistancy first, but after that I think there's less harm in having the DH than eliminating it. Baseball is a more specialized game than it used to be. The reason the DH issue hasn't been addressed over the years is a long history of commissioners that have been lapdogs for the owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Here's a different way of thinking of it. If you remove the DH, then you have a bunch of old, poor fielding hacks having to play in the field which negatively affects play. I'm for rule consistancy first, but after that I think there's less harm in having the DH than eliminating it. Baseball is a more specialized game than it used to be. The reason the DH issue hasn't been addressed over the years is a long history of commissioners that have been lapdogs for the owners. Ok, How about just playing the game the way it was meant to be played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiBeers Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Here's a different way of thinking of it. If you remove the DH, then you have a bunch of old, poor fielding hacks having to play in the field which negatively affects play. I'm for rule consistancy first, but after that I think there's less harm in having the DH than eliminating it. Baseball is a more specialized game than it used to be. The reason the DH issue hasn't been addressed over the years is a long history of commissioners that have been lapdogs for the owners. Ok, How about just playing the game the way it was meant to be played. As I said, I'm for rule consistency first...all leagues do the DH or not do the DH. The original intent of the DH was to increase offense. It also had unintended consequences of older (star) players being able to stick around for a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Here's a different way of thinking of it. If you remove the DH, then you have a bunch of old, poor fielding hacks having to play in the field which negatively affects play. I'm for rule consistancy first, but after that I think there's less harm in having the DH than eliminating it. Baseball is a more specialized game than it used to be. The reason the DH issue hasn't been addressed over the years is a long history of commissioners that have been lapdogs for the owners. Ok, How about just playing the game the way it was meant to be played. As I said, I'm for rule consistency first...all leagues do the DH or not do the DH. The original intent of the DH was to increase offense. It also had unintended consequences of older (star) players being able to stick around for a few more years. So, Older players either have it or they don't. They put in in place to replace the pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat.A game of chess...in which a piece is used in 1/100 games. Your opinion was once valid, but anymore, it's just nostalgia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat.A game of chess...in which a piece is used in 1/100 games. Your opinion was once valid, but anymore, it's just nostalgia. Why? Because some so called old hitter who can't play defense any more is used just to bat a few innings of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat.A game of chess...in which a piece is used in 1/100 games. Your opinion was once valid, but anymore, it's just nostalgia. Why? Because some so called old hitter who can't play defense any more is used just to bat a few innings of the game?Yep. Because that has-been has a much, much greater chance of getting a hit...or at least putting the ball in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years.Especially when those franchises couldn't even win anything without "help". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years. I love how Yankees fans whine like babies now that they can't look down their noses at Red Sox fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 aSo, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat. Here's a different way of thinking of it. If you remove the DH, then you have a bunch of old, poor fielding hacks having to play in the field which negatively affects play. I'm for rule consistancy first, but after that I think there's less harm in having the DH than eliminating it. Baseball is a more specialized game than it used to be. The reason the DH issue hasn't been addressed over the years is a long history of commissioners that have been lapdogs for the owners. Ok, How about just playing the game the way it was meant to be played. As I said, I'm for rule consistency first...all leagues do the DH or not do the DH. The original intent of the DH was to increase offense. It also had unintended consequences of older (star) players being able to stick around for a few more years. Fine, And I get your point. Earn the runs if your team can produce them. Other wise you lose. Its that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutman Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) So, I just tried to look up post season batting averages for pitchers on the ESPN sortable averages site. You can sort by left or right handed batter or position played, including DH. Well ...there is one position they did exclude from filter options. Even ESPN recognize how worthless a batting pitcher is. :) First of all, Never listen to ESPN. I like the pitcher hitting. Depending on what inning it is. Its more of a strategy thing. If he is still pitching well and can lay down a bunt to move the runners over it's a good thing. There are and have been some really good pitchers that can handle a bat. JMO, but its just to easy not to have him bat. I like more defense than all out offense.But it"s basically an automatic out, an almost guaranteed non-athletic at bat that just disrupts the offensive part of the game. You like defense, but the pitcher batting removes any need for defense. No way, It's a game of chess. Yes, a bunt in most cases is an out. Plus all of the other players do it. There have been some really decent hitting pitchers through out time. I would rather see a player who is actually playing in the game hit than some dude sitting on the bench all game just to come up and bat.A game of chess...in which a piece is used in 1/100 games. Your opinion was once valid, but anymore, it's just nostalgia. Why? Because some so called old hitter who can't play defense any more is used just to bat a few innings of the game?Yep. Because that has-been has a much, much greater chance of getting a hit...or at least putting the ball in play. So, That's a reason? The pitcher should hit or be replaced, That's how the game has been and should be. It's that simple. Not some dude sitting on the bench waiting to hit. Edited November 6, 2015 by troutman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedRush Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years. I love how Yankees fans whine like babies now that they can't look down their noses at Red Sox fans. I think you need to do some more winning before making ridiculous statements like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years. I love how Yankees fans whine like babies now that they can't look down their noses at Red Sox fans. I think you need to do some more winning before making ridiculous statements like that.Come on ,LR, you know the Red Sox can go into New York and come out victorious. On the 4th of July. At Nathan's Hot Dog eating contest. But that's gotta count for SOMETHING, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How about a compromise...you could call it the Brady rule. When a pitcher hits, just tell him what pitch is coming.... What if we let teams that don't win a World Series in a century use a DH? Teams that have pride have to have the pitcher hit. It's amazing how quickly fans from historically atrocious franchises turn into arrogant assholes after a few good years. I love how Yankees fans whine like babies now that they can't look down their noses at Red Sox fans. I think you need to do some more winning before making ridiculous statements like that. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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