sanzo Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Hey I was thinking how great these crashes sound on the Dvd and throughout his career and was seriously thinking of getting them,does anone know if Neils were the regular Avedis line or some special order like with oversized bells or somthing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzman Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 (edited) I believe they were the equivalent of the Zildijan A Customs. Don't quote me on that though. Edited February 14, 2005 by kazzman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 (edited) Neil used what is now referred to as the Avedis Zildjian line of cymbals. I would check the old tourbooks to be absolutely positive. Through the 70's and 80's these were the only line really available from Zildjian until they introduced the K line in the late 80's and then Z's and Customs after that. After the A customs some refer to these as Standard A's. Zildjian used to do one thing and do it well, but the cymbal market got very competitive during the 80's and Zildjian had to act by introducing new ideas. I know he used a Ping Ride for a very long time, I believe his was a 22". Thickness of the crashes varied from medium thin to medium to heavy. All sizes are equivalent to the Paragons. The only difference would be the China's, which were a couple of Wuhans (when he still used real cymbals with the electronic kit) and a Zildjian Swish with sizzle rivets near the flange. Edited February 14, 2005 by CygnusX-1Bk2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanzo Posted February 14, 2005 Author Share Posted February 14, 2005 has anyone got this line of cymbals,if so how do thay sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I have a ping ride. I have had it for 20 years, and it still sounds great! I have had many A Zildjians over the years and they are great cymbals. I prefer them and K's to most cymbals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumnut Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I have the Paragon 22" ride and sounds great. I was playing a 20" Zildjian Rock ride until it cracked along the edge. Somebody that needed it worse than I did offered to pay me more than it was worth so I sold it to him. I was looking for a ride when I heard about the Paragons and bought it. I always liked the BIG sound of a 22" ride. I wish I still had the first 22" ride I owned and that was a 22" Zildjian Amir. I know they were not great line of cymbals when they were around but for the price, that was as close as you could come to real Zildjians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
launchpad67a Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I play A Customs exclusively. (well almost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Sabian Paragons are my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzman Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Feb 15 2005, 10:01 PM) Sabian Paragons are my favorite. I'm becomming more and more drawn towards the Zildijan A Customs over the Sabian Paragons. I used to love the Paragons, but the more I play on them the more drawn away I become. They just seem way too overblown just because Peart plays them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
launchpad67a Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 QUOTE (kazzman @ Feb 15 2005, 10:47 PM) QUOTE (NeilPeartFan2112 @ Feb 15 2005, 10:01 PM) Sabian Paragons are my favorite. I'm becomming more and more drawn towards the Zildijan A Customs over the Sabian Paragons. I used to love the Paragons, but the more I play on them the more drawn away I become. They just seem way too overblown just because Peart plays them... Yes, exactly. Play what you like and sounds good to 'your' ear. Not what somebody else plays that you like! Just an interesting point here: I play all over Las Vegas on a weekly and monthly basis in the top rooms and know all the best players. I know of No drummers playing Paragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I would have to say I don't know anyone playing Paragons either. They sound similar to Avedis but darker. The ride sounds like a Ping. I prefer my K crashes to the Paragon crashes. I like the splashes though. The Zildjian splashes are too thick these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzman Posted February 16, 2005 Share Posted February 16, 2005 The Paragon splashes seem to be the most raved about out of the whole line. I have the 8" splash and it has a great and warm sound to it. The rest of the Paragons though, I'm not too thrilled with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuppetKing2112 Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I have a crappy beginner set of Zildjian ZBT cymbals. They sound fine for what they are (high end beginner cymbals) but if I had more $$$ I would definently replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzman Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 The only thing I like with the ZBT's is the ping that the 20'' Ride's bell gives. The 18'' China sounds too much like a gong than a china cymbal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Even though Neil plays them, they sound a lot better to me than any other cymbals that I have played before. I really love the sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cygnus_vismund_cygnus Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 (edited) Neil's old Zildjian crashes were custom. They were the rock crash but instead of Medium-Heavy they were just medium. I have the Paragons, well most of them and they sound great I'd recomend them to just about anyone who plays rock music, Edited February 25, 2005 by cygnus_vismund_cygnus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CygnusX-1Bk2 Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Just verified tourbooks which say Avedis Zildjian. If they were Customs they would have to state that (comapnies are very particular when it comes to endorsements). Zildjian has a process called Brilliant that adds shimmer to the cymbals and some of the cymbals my friend Adam got from Neil had the brilliant finish, most notably the top hi hat cymbal. The brilliant finish is standard on A Customs, but by special order for Avedis. The brilliant finish has been available since the 70's, long before the Custom line began production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 nice avatar cyg vismund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanzo Posted March 6, 2005 Author Share Posted March 6, 2005 Why does he list them as rock crashes instead of just medium crashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yyz Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 I have basic Sabian B8's. My 14" crash is cracked and I have to take it back. Well they will give me all new cymbals...so I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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