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#1 Alex

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:28 AM

Well, when I first became a  2.gif fan and joined the forum and all, I would always notice a lot of people bashing HYF and the songs within. Now, I didn't like it at first but after a while I gave it more of a chance, starting with Prime Mover.

This album is very powerful and now Prime Mover is actualy one of my favourite  2.gif songs. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone else I just wanted to hear reasons why some people dont particularly like this album. I am just curious. So feedback is appreciated, please no "hate" messages.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:34 AM

Didn't always love that album. In fact originally the only songs I liked were Time Stand Still, Tai Shan and High Water... Which might seem particularly strange because most criticism about the album is directed at those three tracks.

Like you I put in the time and effort and allowed it to grow on me and while I essentially prefer Power Windows I think its more than a worthy follow-up and certainly one of the best Rush ever put out.

I still deserve a good kicking for rejecting Mission for so long, that song now stands as one of the most played of all time on my iTunes. The lyrics are amazing. In fact that goes for most of Hold Your Fire actually, the lyrics are incredible, some of the best Neil ever wrote in my opinion.

I was really really shocked to see on the "Your least favourite Rush album" thread that this was receiving a significant amount of votes, I'm not sure how stuff stands there at the moment but last time I checked it was actually in the lead as the overall worst Rush album... ahead of Feedback!

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:34 AM

It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album.  

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:36 AM

You silly people with your reviews put me off buying the damn album! It was a long time till I heard all of it and I friggin loved it!! 1022.gif  

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:36 AM

No hate from me, I actually like this album and listen to it regular basis.

My favourite tracks are "Force Ten" and "Turn The Page", mainly because of there upbeat tempo and feel.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:37 AM

QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2008, 02:34 PM)
It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album.  

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This reminds me of something I read a while back. I was shocked beyond belief when someone (I forgot who) claimed that;

"We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of Paradise..." was one of the worst lyrics Neil ever penned.

Guess all I can do is use the old "Guess it just goes to show" cliche. Different stuff effects different people in different ways and that one certainly hits me hard. Cold shivers everytime.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE (TheRocinanteKid @ Jun 18 2008, 09:37 AM)
QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2008, 02:34 PM)
It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album. 

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This reminds me of something I read a while back. I was shocked beyond belief when someone (I forgot who) claimed that;

"We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of Paradise..." was one of the worst lyrics Neil ever penned.

Guess all I can do is use the old "Guess it just goes to show" cliche. Different stuff effects different people in different ways and that one certainly hits me hard. Cold shivers everytime.

Oh, you got that right with me! yes.gif

How about the outro solo? Just wow.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2008, 08:34 AM)
It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album.  

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I think thats what thow a lot of people off of it. Everyone loves  2.gif but HYF showed a more sensitive side to them.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:43 AM

My favorite album. I don't limit my interests to "kick ass" rock. The synthesizer is no less an instrument than a guitar.

I love the lyrics and emotion that pour from that album. The album is positive and introspective.

When it comes to Rush, I don't accept blandness, which showed up later on in their catalog.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Show Don't Tell @ Jun 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE (TheRocinanteKid @ Jun 18 2008, 09:37 AM)
QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2008, 02:34 PM)
It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album. 

tongue.gif

This reminds me of something I read a while back. I was shocked beyond belief when someone (I forgot who) claimed that;

"We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of Paradise..." was one of the worst lyrics Neil ever penned.

Guess all I can do is use the old "Guess it just goes to show" cliche. Different stuff effects different people in different ways and that one certainly hits me hard. Cold shivers everytime.

Oh, you got that right with me! yes.gif

How about the outro solo? Just wow.

My favourite Alex solo, apart from Return Of the Prince

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:45 AM

Because it's shit and I hate it.

I actually did like it at first, must have been an 80s thing, that and it being my first Rush CD for my first CD player. Looking back on it now it's just so thin, not enough body to it at all. It's too synthy, not enough crunchy guitar.
I'd love to give an in depth write up of my negative feelings to HYF, but it's just too lame to bother with.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:46 AM

HYF = AWESOME


the only songs i dont like are Lock & Key and Tai Shan

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:47 AM

QUOTE (Wilderness_of_Mirrors @ Jun 18 2008, 09:46 AM)
HYF = AWESOME


the only songs i dont like are Lock & Key and Tai Shan

Interesting you should say that. I like those two songs, but they are at the bottom.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (nic2112nic @ Jun 18 2008, 02:43 PM)
QUOTE (Show Don't Tell @ Jun 18 2008, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE (TheRocinanteKid @ Jun 18 2008, 09:37 AM)
QUOTE (Gompers @ Jun 18 2008, 02:34 PM)
It took me three years to get into HYF.

For the longest time, I thought these were Neil's wimpiest lyrics.
"I don't wanna face the killer instinct, face it in you or me."

I also didn't care for the near acapella at the beginning of Mission. My first reaction was "OMG! Geddy is trying to be 80's singer guy or make a stab at boy band vocals."

Of course, things have changed over time. I gained a better understanding of it when I realized my machismo was interfering with appreciation of the album. 

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This reminds me of something I read a while back. I was shocked beyond belief when someone (I forgot who) claimed that;

"We each pay a fabulous price for our visions of Paradise..." was one of the worst lyrics Neil ever penned.

Guess all I can do is use the old "Guess it just goes to show" cliche. Different stuff effects different people in different ways and that one certainly hits me hard. Cold shivers everytime.

Oh, you got that right with me! yes.gif

How about the outro solo? Just wow.

My favourite Alex solo, apart from Return Of the Prince

Return Of The Prince! Yeah sure this is the wrong thread to be going on about that but truly that is one of the most melodic, beautiful, uplifting guitar solos ever. In fact that whole section of The Necromancer is that way, very moving chord progression. Me and my friend would often jam that piece when we were skipping Music Technology lessons back in my first year at college, even though I was only really playing bass it was very easy to just slip into that piece, he'd be soloing me playing the bass part; we could go on for like 30 minutes at a time just playing that piece. Truly awesome.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 08:59 AM

QUOTE (Alex @ Jun 18 2008, 08:28 AM)
Well, when I first became a  2.gif fan and joined the forum and all, I would always notice a lot of people bashing HYF and the songs within. Now, I didn't like it at first but after a while I gave it more of a chance, starting with Prime Mover.

This album is very powerful and now Prime Mover is actualy one of my favourite  2.gif songs. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone else I just wanted to hear reasons why some people dont particularly like this album. I am just curious. So feedback is appreciated, please no "hate" messages.

I've always like HYF a lot. Time Stand Still was the first song that really got me into them in the first place. Force Ten is a classic IMO.

The last 2 songs are a lot weaker than the first 8 to me, but when you have 8 out of 10 great songs that's what I'd call one excellent album.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (Del_Duio @ Jun 18 2008, 08:59 AM)
QUOTE (Alex @ Jun 18 2008, 08:28 AM)
Well, when I first became a  2.gif fan and joined the forum and all, I would always notice a lot of people bashing HYF and the songs within. Now, I didn't like it at first but after a while I gave it more of a chance, starting with Prime Mover.

This album is very powerful and now Prime Mover is actualy one of my favourite  2.gif songs. I am not forcing my opinion on anyone else I just wanted to hear reasons why some people dont particularly like this album. I am just curious. So feedback is appreciated, please no "hate" messages.

I've always like HYF a lot. Time Stand Still was the first song that really got me into them in the first place. Force Ten is a classic IMO.

The last 2 songs are a lot weaker than the first 8 to me, but when you have 8 out of 10 great songs that's what I'd call one excellent album.

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (KenCleanAirsystem @ Jun 18 2008, 08:45 AM)
Because it's shit and I hate it.

I actually did like it at first, must have been an 80s thing, that and it being my first Rush CD for my first CD player. Looking back on it now it's just so thin, not enough body to it at all. It's too synthy, not enough crunchy guitar.
I'd love to give an in depth write up of my negative feelings to HYF, but it's just too lame to bother with.

Now where's me wellies, I'm off for a paddle in the Fountain of lamneth, if I can find my Way

Well I'll say Alex's guitar is for sure a bit too whimpy-sounding, but the songs themselves are great.

To quickly compare, listen to the HYF Mission and then the one from S&A Live. The guitar sounds so much better and way more kick ass on S&A Live. THIS is why they need to bust out Open Secrets or Lock and Key next tour!

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:03 AM

HYF is nowhere near my favorite album musically.  But lyrically I think it's the best overall.  

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE (JohnnyBlaze @ Jun 18 2008, 09:03 AM)
HYF is nowhere near my favorite album musically.  But lyrically I think it's the best overall.

Thats a very fair statement. The lyrics on this album are very deep!

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Posted 18 June 2008 - 09:26 AM

i just plain don't like it trink39.gif  




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