New World Kid Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Just a thought I was...thinking...if Rush had gotten the attention they deserved way back in the 80's and 90's, would we have the same band that we do taday? I mean, if people had paid attentio to them, and had awarded them all sorts of awards, and had given them constant praise, don't you think that they might have gotten caught up in all of it? I mean...Im startin to think this staying out of the light thing was a hidden blessing...which kinda concerns me now that they are being recognized by the rock world... or is this just a really really paranoid case of paranoia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RushRevisited Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (New World Kid @ Dec 18 2004, 11:39 PM) Just a thought I was...thinking...if Rush had gotten the attention they deserved way back in the 80's and 90's, would we have the same band that we do taday? I mean, if people had paid attentio to them, and had awarded them all sorts of awards, and had given them constant praise, don't you think that they might have gotten caught up in all of it? I mean...Im startin to think this staying out of the light thing was a hidden blessing...which kinda concerns me now that they are being recognized by the rock world... or is this just a really really paranoid case of paranoia? Good point. I also wonder what would have become of them if they had someone gotten into that "pop rock rut". I think they would be burned out from all the bullshit by now, that's for sure. I think it's good that they never got into "mainstream". Welcome to the board! http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney_rebel Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 They would NOT be the band we grown to love for sure... "with glittering prizes and endless compromises... shattered the illusion of integrity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES-335 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 RUSH's music isn't mainstream. That is the main reason they don't get the recognition a U2 for example, gets. So, for them to be mainstream, they would have to change their music. So, I for one, do feel it is a good thang. They get enough recognition from musicians and their real fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzman Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1-0-0-1-0-0-1 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (kazzman @ Dec 19 2004, 12:43 AM) That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. Exactly. They're just under the radar, and that makes them cool. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/cool.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthbound2112 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 A band like http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif only comes along once an a while. They march to there own http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/NeilFinal.gif they are always changing there sound. Power Windows sounds nothing like counterparts. [for example] So many other bands get luky with a certain sound and never grow out of it. Not them they always come up with something new and fresh witch I find refreshing. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/AlexFinal.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/GeddyFinal.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyt Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 i think the closest rush ever came to tapping into the mainstream media music was DISTANT EARLY WARNING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyt Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 /THE BIG MONEY but that was certainly RUSH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit of radio Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (ES-335 @ Dec 19 2004, 12:10 AM) RUSH's music isn't mainstream. That is the main reason they don't get the recognition a U2 for example, gets. So, for them to be mainstream, they would have to change their music. So, I for one, do feel it is a good thang. They get enough recognition from musicians and their real fans. U2 sold out many years ago.Bono is hanging around left wing politicians trying to save the whales or trees or cure diseases or sell apple computers http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/062802puke_prv.gif thankfully our boys don"t deem themselves that self important and stick to doing what they do best. MAKING THE BEST DAMN MUSIC ON THE PLANET http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/AlexFinal.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/NeilFinal.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/GeddyFinal.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esmeralda Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (kazzman @ Dec 19 2004, 12:43 AM) That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. You're absolutely right Kazz. That's one of the reasons we love them so much. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyrob Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I agree with everything said in all the posts so far. Being too famous can be a bad thing. One thing is for sure, it has certainly helped that they have been life-long mates, and that the line-up hasn't changed in over 30 years. A change in line-up would have been their downfall. Although their style has changed over the years, they have always given what their fans want and not what the mainstream wants, yet they still pack out concerts and have a massive following. This makes them truly unique. I was recently listening to the intro of 'Xanadu' off ESL, and thought, "what band in the world can produce musical excellence like this - Live? and that was 20 years ago......they have got even better in the ensuing years! Their music provides inspiration, some of the lyrics are so profound they need to be scrutinised to find the deep meaning in them. Hail http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif providers of real music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test4VitalSigns Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (rickyrob @ Dec 19 2004, 05:43 AM) I agree with everything said in all the posts so far. Being too famous can be a bad thing. One thing is for sure, it has certainly helped that they have been life-long mates, and that the line-up hasn't changed in over 30 years. A change in line-up would have been their downfall. Although their style has changed over the years, they have always given what their fans want and not what the mainstream wants, yet they still pack out concerts and have a massive following. This makes them truly unique. I was recently listening to the intro of 'Xanadu' off ESL, and thought, "what band in the world can produce musical excellence like this - Live? and that was 20 years ago......they have got even better in the ensuing years! Their music provides inspiration, some of the lyrics are so profound they need to be scrutinised to find the deep meaning in them. Hail http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif providers of real music. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/goodpost.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/signs015.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Dec 19 2004, 07:35 AM) QUOTE (rickyrob @ Dec 19 2004, 05:43 AM) I agree with everything said in all the posts so far. Being too famous can be a bad thing. One thing is for sure, it has certainly helped that they have been life-long mates, and that the line-up hasn't changed in over 30 years. A change in line-up would have been their downfall. Although their style has changed over the years, they have always given what their fans want and not what the mainstream wants, yet they still pack out concerts and have a massive following. This makes them truly unique. I was recently listening to the intro of 'Xanadu' off ESL, and thought, "what band in the world can produce musical excellence like this - Live? and that was 20 years ago......they have got even better in the ensuing years! Their music provides inspiration, some of the lyrics are so profound they need to be scrutinised to find the deep meaning in them. Hail http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif providers of real music. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/goodpost.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/signs015.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/goodpost.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyrob Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (Cygnus @ Dec 19 2004, 07:21 AM) QUOTE (Test4VitalSigns @ Dec 19 2004, 07:35 AM) QUOTE (rickyrob @ Dec 19 2004, 05:43 AM) I agree with everything said in all the posts so far. Being too famous can be a bad thing. One thing is for sure, it has certainly helped that they have been life-long mates, and that the line-up hasn't changed in over 30 years. A change in line-up would have been their downfall. Although their style has changed over the years, they have always given what their fans want and not what the mainstream wants, yet they still pack out concerts and have a massive following. This makes them truly unique. I was recently listening to the intro of 'Xanadu' off ESL, and thought, "what band in the world can produce musical excellence like this - Live? and that was 20 years ago......they have got even better in the ensuing years! Their music provides inspiration, some of the lyrics are so profound they need to be scrutinised to find the deep meaning in them. Hail http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif providers of real music. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/goodpost.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/signs015.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink39.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/goodpost.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afansince74 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Rush got all the credit they ever wanted... ...from us, the fans, the fellow musicians, the 'true critics' They've had ample opportunities over the years to jump on the media bandwagon and sell out for the money. Never did it. Because it was never about the money for them!! They have always just wanted to make the best music they could, put it out there and hope we like it, and then do it all again, but better! Everything else is secondary and just icing on the cake. Truer musicians you won't find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilPeartFan2112 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (kazzman @ Dec 19 2004, 12:43 AM) That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. Well said Kazz. That is what I love about them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthbound2112 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I agree with all of the posts in here so far For what its worth I think http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/NeilFinal.gif is the best or one of the best song writers EVER. As for the mainstream http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/19.gif they just dont have a clue. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/moon.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES-335 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (earthbound2112 @ Dec 19 2004, 12:03 PM) I agree with all of the posts in here so far For what its worth I think http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/NeilFinal.gif is the best or one of the best song writers EVER. As for the mainstream http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/19.gif they just dont have a clue. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/moon.gif Is the "earthbound" from floyd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-13 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Dec 19 2004, 12:29 AM) QUOTE (kazzman @ Dec 19 2004, 12:43 AM) That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. Exactly. They're just under the radar, and that makes them cool. http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/yes.gif I was going to say that as well! http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/1022.gif http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaine mac Roth Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 A question that has prompted some very good answers. If you don't mind, I like to stick in my oar and share my opinions on the matter. My answer would have to be a definite NO! Not that I think success would have changed the sound and attitude of the band, more that it would have destroyed the band. Take, for example, Guns'n'Roses - when they burst onto the scene they were greeted with great adulation and mass approval from both the audience and the press. More than that, they managed to garner a significant degree of mainstream success. What was the result - they imploded in a spectacular fashion and have gone beyond parody. Rush, on the other hand have never received that sort of exposure. Therefore, to a degree, that sort of pressure of expectation has never weighed highly on them allowing them to achieve their success on their own terms. The only pressure to suceed comes from their devoted and passionare following and from themselves. This has allowed them the freedom to experiment and remain fresh to which I give them a heartfelt http://www.therushforum.net/html/emoticons/trink38.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostGirl Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 QUOTE (1-0-0-1-0-0-1 @ Dec 19 2004, 01:29 AM) QUOTE (kazzman @ Dec 19 2004, 12:43 AM) That's one of the things that I love about Rush so much is that they had the chance to grab into the mainstream but never did. The continued making music the way they wanted to, not the way MTV wanted them to. Exactly. They're just under the radar, and that makes them cool. Which makes all of us on our board here SUPER cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney_rebel Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 With songs like "Limelight", "Spirit of the Radio" and "Superconductor", and don't think they'll ever turn to crap like what Metallica did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonraker Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 QUOTE (Slaine mac Roth @ Dec 19 2004, 12:34 PM) A question that has prompted some very good answers. If you don't mind, I like to stick in my oar and share my opinions on the matter. My answer would have to be a definite NO! Not that I think success would have changed the sound and attitude of the band, more that it would have destroyed the band. Take, for example, Guns'n'Roses - when they burst onto the scene they were greeted with great adulation and mass approval from both the audience and the press. More than that, they managed to garner a significant degree of mainstream success. What was the result - they imploded in a spectacular fashion and have gone beyond parody. Rush, on the other hand have never received that sort of exposure. Therefore, to a degree, that sort of pressure of expectation has never weighed highly on them allowing them to achieve their success on their own terms. The only pressure to suceed comes from their devoted and passionare following and from themselves. This has allowed them the freedom to experiment and remain fresh to which I give them a heartfelt With Gn'R though it didnt help that the majority of the people were heroin addicts, alcoholics, control freaks. They were that way before they became famous, and were destined to implode, despite having any success or not. On the same note though, they still released the Use Your Illusion albums which were a large progression away from simply the mainstream heavy metal that made them famous to a push towards songwriting. Who would have ever thought a couple years after Welcome To The Jungle, a song like Estranged with Axl swimming with dolphins would be made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaine mac Roth Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Its true whay you say Moonie, I just used GnR as an extreme example of what can happen. I think its significant to note that, at this time, the average life span of a sucessful, chart topping band is currently around three years. I remember pointing out to my ex-girlffriend a few years ago how self-congratulatory so many acts got when they hit ten years (in that year Motley Crue, Slayer and Janet Jackson all released 'Best of...' compilations that made a big thing of them lasting for ten years). Rush have managed 30 years with the same personnel - the only other band I can think of that have managed that are ZZ Top. Its telling that both of these bands have, on the whole, been apart from the mainstream (although ZZ did have their MTV flirtation in the 80s). I really do think that it is because of this lack of mainstream success that has kept them together for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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