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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:32 PM

I just had to come and say this. Up until now, I haven't ever been a fan of HYF. I joined this board only recently, and ended up reading posts here and there occasionally about HYF, talking about how cool it is, what you like about this song, that song etc...... Well you guys encouraged me to give it another listen. I've owned HYF for about a year and I didn't listen to it very much, but after listening to it again (and I liked it so much that I listened to it yet again just a few days later!) I must say that not only do I LOVE this album, it has become one of my favorite albums of all time by a long shot. All because I read so many good things about it on this board! So thanks to all who post here, for opening my eyes to this beautiful gem of an album! new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif  

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:33 PM

HYF is one of my favoruite albums.  A few songs on there mean a lot to me (sentimental reasons)

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:33 PM

you're welcome.

it's still my least favorite album though...can't see how I helped now that I think about it...

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:38 PM

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE (DoubleAgent420 @ Dec 7 2004, 10:32 PM)
I just had to come and say this. Up until now, I haven't ever been a fan of HYF. I joined this board only recently, and ended up reading posts here and there occasionally about HYF, talking about how cool it is, what you like about this song, that song etc...... Well you guys encouraged me to give it another listen. I've owned HYF for about a year and I didn't listen to it very much, but after listening to it again (and I liked it so much that I listened to it yet again just a few days later!) I must say that not only do I LOVE this album, it has become one of my favorite albums of all time by a long shot. All because I read so many good things about it on this board! So thanks to all who post here, for opening my eyes to this beautiful gem of an album! new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

What a kick ass post.  You just made my night!!

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HYF is such a great album.  So glad you were able to discover it and hear things you never heard before. new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:24 PM

Hold Your Fire remains as my favorite album by Rush. The concert I attended for that tour also remains my favorite Rush show. It can't be beat.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 11:44 PM

So many subtle highlights in this album.  More than just about any other album, imo.

Here are just a few.  There are so many others.
  • Time Stand Still - The band goes into this energy charged drive leading into the final vocals. With the music are some sound effects I go crazy over. At 3.07 there is this ghostly, yet angelic keyboard effect that comes out of nowhere and builds louder and louder. YES!!
  • Time Stand Still - same section of music. A percussion sound effect at 3.11. There's a rac-a-tac-a-tac-a-tac sound just before Neil's snare fill. YES!!!!!! THE BEST!
  • High Water - The Strings sounding keyboard in the second half of the song.  Thank you Rolinda.
  • Turn The Page - The way the song ends.  Such high energized build up abrubtly cut with that keyboard hit which echos and takes a year to fade.  I f'ing love that!
  • Prime Mover - The baseline in that song is almost unmatched.
  • Lock And Key - Neil just need to kick our asses and closes out the song with a BANG.

Enough for now - Leno is on.  I'm going to listen for more tomorrow, cause there are loads.  DA420, tell us your favorite moments of the CD.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE (DoubleAgent420 @ Dec 7 2004, 10:32 PM)
I just had to come and say this. Up until now, I haven't ever been a fan of HYF. I joined this board only recently, and ended up reading posts here and there occasionally about HYF, talking about how cool it is, what you like about this song, that song etc...... Well you guys encouraged me to give it another listen. I've owned HYF for about a year and I didn't listen to it very much, but after listening to it again (and I liked it so much that I listened to it yet again just a few days later!) I must say that not only do I LOVE this album, it has become one of my favorite albums of all time by a long shot. All because I read so many good things about it on this board! So thanks to all who post here, for opening my eyes to this beautiful gem of an album! new_thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

u guys are DUMB! this is a double-agent!!! he hates this album!

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:19 AM

Exactly the same happened me with Presto on the CP board in May/June.

I hadn't listened to it for ages, read quite a few posts about the album (mainly from Trinity, who drops in here now and again), and it ended up on rotation in my car for a fortnight.  

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:28 AM

Help me!! Help me!! I read all of these wonderful, warm, fuzzy feelings for HYF, but I do not particularly like this album, with a few exceptions (Ged's bass playing is extraordinary and I do kind of like Prime Mover and Turn the Page). But as a whole, I just never warmed to this album. To me, it is Rush Lite. Then again, I'm not big on extensive use of synth's, so this stands to reason.

But I want to like HYF, I just can't seem to. Any suggestions from you HYF lovers?

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:33 AM

My suggestion is listen to the lyrics.  Its 'Open Secrets' and 'Prime Mover' that sucked me in.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:34 AM

Oh and 'Mission'.  Very visual song, I love it.  Makes me wish I were an artist of some sort!

Anyway most of the songs on HYF have meant different things to me at different times.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:57 AM

I tend to love music that has memories attached to it, and Hold Your Fire definitely does.

The album came out Sept 8, 1987, which was 3 months after my graduation from high school. When I hear Turn the Page, I always think about how all of us in our class have gone our separate ways. We all entered a new phase in life where we would go off to college and part ways with many of our long time school friends.

At graduation, we all kind of realize that ya know? High school was hell for me and, I imagine, for many of us. I certainly didn't shed a tear on graduation night, for sure, but some time after that, I found myself realizing that we wouldn't see each other again, and as much as I was glad to be done with high school, there are times I kinda miss it. There's a certain poignancy to it, if any of this makes sense. "Turn the Page" just represents to me those times in our lives where changes take place and we must move on and forward, but never really forgetting the past.

Paganoman mentioned earlier in his descriptions of the songs about the ending of "Turn the Page" and the really long fade out. That piece of the music really amplifies for me what I just described above - a leaving and changing of sorts.

The music on this album makes me think of brilliant sunsets too. We saw a beautiful one the night of the Rush show on that tour. A snow storm had dumped so much snow on everthing, but the sky had been clearing and the sun as it was setting just made the landscape just beautiful. The campus at NC State made me really want to go to college as we arrived for the show. There was a sunset on the video for "Time Stand Still", so maybe that is another reason I associate sunsets with this record.

I had decided to not go to college beforehand, but after getting to see the campus before showtime, I got this deep rooted desire to go - think of the song "Mission". And I found myself wondering if any of my high school classmates were there someplace.

So, I get a lot of feelings deep within when I hear Hold Your Fire. My interest in the album has everything to do with what it conjures in my emotions and imagination. It has nothing to do with whether or not it "kicks ass" and makes me wanna groove.



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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Snowdog @ Dec 8 2004, 09:28 AM)
Help me!! Help me!! I read all of these wonderful, warm, fuzzy feelings for HYF, but I do not particularly like this album, with a few exceptions (Ged's bass playing is extraordinary and I do kind of like Prime Mover and Turn the Page). But as a whole, I just never warmed to this album. To me, it is Rush Lite. Then again, I'm not big on extensive use of synth's, so this stands to reason.

But I want to like HYF, I just can't seem to. Any suggestions from you HYF lovers?

Not trying to imply anything - but try to listen to it as its own piece of work without comparing it to other releases.  There is SO much to like about this album.  I particularly like the style of recording on this record - especially the use of keyboards and sound effects which allowed each instrument to completely stand out on their own without fighting for position.  I can listen to any single element and block the others out so easily with this record.  These guys are masters at designing complex structures within their own camps, while complimenting the others and giving room for all to flex and breathe.

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I get the Rush Lite thing.  Alex stopped plugging into amps on the studio floor and would record his parts plugged directly into the sound board with a set of headphones.  It wasn't until Counterparts that he dried up his guitar sound and put it back in our faces.  But so what?  He SHINES on these records.  I love the intricate guitar parts in HYF.  He proves you don't have to be a power chord god in order to show strength.

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As far as Neil goes, this was a time period for him where he really got to perfect his blending of electronic drums and triggered sounds into his parts.  I go nuts over the way he changes patterns completely to impact the mood or emotion of the song.

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And Geddy?  whew this guy truly proves he can do 28 things at once.  Pedals, keyboards, bass, vocals.  It's one thing to layer yourself in a studio but now you have to go out there and play this stuff live.  He's got to be thinking about that when putting this stuff together.  But it's Geddy - he makes it seem easy.  His baselines ROCK on this album.

Then there are the words.  They take me to places I can't even identify.  I get lost in them.  The music was so well crafted to fit what the words had to say and vice/versa.  Here is where Neil started becoming much more flexible at receiving feedback from the other two with regard to the lyric and how it should be designed to fit the sound.

HYF is a triumph - a creative masterpiece.  Find that connection to it - either through the emotion of the music or the message in the lyrics.  Once you let it grab you, you'll be gone!!

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE (paganoman @ Dec 8 2004, 10:08 AM)
QUOTE (Snowdog @ Dec 8 2004, 09:28 AM)
Help me!! Help me!! I read all of these wonderful, warm, fuzzy feelings for HYF, but I do not particularly like this album, with a few exceptions (Ged's bass playing is extraordinary and I do kind of like Prime Mover and Turn the Page). But as a whole, I just never warmed to this album. To me, it is Rush Lite. Then again, I'm not big on extensive use of synth's, so this stands to reason.

But I want to like HYF, I just can't seem to. Any suggestions from you HYF lovers?

Not trying to imply anything - but try to listen to it as its own piece of work without comparing it to other releases.  There is SO much to like about this album.  I particularly like the style of recording on this record - especially the use of keyboards and sound effects which allowed each instrument to completely stand out on their own without fighting for position.  I can listen to any single element and block the others out so easily with this record.  These guys are masters at designing complex structures within their own camps, while complimenting the others and giving room for all to flex and breathe.

AlexFinal.gif
I get the Rush Lite thing.  Alex stopped plugging into amps on the studio floor and would record his parts plugged directly into the sound board with a set of headphones.  It wasn't until Counterparts that he dried up his guitar sound and put it back in our faces.  But so what?  He SHINES on these records.  I love the intricate guitar parts in HYF.  He proves you don't have to be a power chord god in order to show strength.

NeilFinal.gif
As far as Neil goes, this was a time period for him where he really got to perfect his blending of electronic drums and triggered sounds into his parts.  I go nuts over the way he changes patterns completely to impact the mood or emotion of the song.

GeddyFinal.gif  
And Geddy?  whew this guy truly proves he can do 28 things at once.  Pedals, keyboards, bass, vocals.  It's one thing to layer yourself in a studio but now you have to go out there and play this stuff live.  He's got to be thinking about that when putting this stuff together.  But it's Geddy - he makes it seem easy.  His baselines ROCK on this album.

Then there are the words.  They take me to places I can't even identify.  I get lost in them.  The music was so well crafted to fit what the words had to say and vice/versa.  Here is where Neil started becoming much more flexible at receiving feedback from the other two with regard to the lyric and how it should be designed to fit the sound.

HYF is a triumph - a creative masterpiece.  Find that connection to it - either through the emotion of the music or the message in the lyrics.  Once you let it grab you, you'll be gone!!

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:13 AM

QUOTE (circumstantial tree @ Dec 8 2004, 09:57 AM)
I tend to love music that has memories attached to it, and Hold Your Fire definitely does.

The album came out Sept 8, 1987, which was 3 months after my graduation from high school. When I hear Turn the Page, I always think about how all of us in our class have gone our separate ways. We all entered a new phase in life where we would go off to college and part ways with many of our long time school friends.

At graduation, we all kind of realize that ya know? High school was hell for me and, I imagine, for many of us. I certainly didn't shed a tear on graduation night, for sure, but some time after that, I found myself realizing that we wouldn't see each other again, and as much as I was glad to be done with high school, there are times I kinda miss it. There's a certain poignancy to it, if any of this makes sense. "Turn the Page" just represents to me those times in our lives where changes take place and we must move on and forward, but never really forgetting the past.

Paganoman mentioned earlier in his descriptions of the songs about the ending of "Turn the Page" and the really long fade out. That piece of the music really amplifies for me what I just described above - a leaving and changing of sorts.

The music on this album makes me think of brilliant sunsets too. We saw a beautiful one the night of the Rush show on that tour. A snow storm had dumped so much snow on everthing, but the sky had been clearing and the sun as it was setting just made the landscape just beautiful. The campus at NC State made me really want to go to college as we arrived for the show. There was a sunset on the video for "Time Stand Still", so maybe that is another reason I associate sunsets with this record.

I had decided to not go to college beforehand, but after getting to see the campus before showtime, I got this deep rooted desire to go - think of the song "Mission". And I found myself wondering if any of my high school classmates were there someplace.

So, I get a lot of feelings deep within when I hear Hold Your Fire. My interest in the album has everything to do with what it conjures in my emotions and imagination. It has nothing to do with whether or not it "kicks ass" and makes me wanna groove.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:15 AM

Thanks Pman,

I think both our posts are good. I describe the emotional side of it, while you are able to describe the musical aspects.  smile.gif



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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:58 AM

QUOTE (neilpeart_gal @ Dec 8 2004, 09:33 AM)
My suggestion is listen to the lyrics.  Its 'Open Secrets' and 'Prime Mover' that sucked me in.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:47 AM

I'll pull out HYF, dust it off, and give it a fresh listen. Thanks for the input. wink.gif  

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Snowdog @ Dec 8 2004, 09:28 AM)
Help me!! Help me!! I read all of these wonderful, warm, fuzzy feelings for HYF, but I do not particularly like this album, with a few exceptions (Ged's bass playing is extraordinary and I do kind of like Prime Mover and Turn the Page). But as a whole, I just never warmed to this album. To me, it is Rush Lite. Then again, I'm not big on extensive use of synth's, so this stands to reason.

But I want to like HYF, I just can't seem to. Any suggestions from you HYF lovers?

I am not a huge fan of HYF either but if you close your eyes, put on some really good headphones,  listen to Tai Shan,  it will change your life smile.gif




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