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#1 Red3angel

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 08:35 PM

For example,closer to the heart, vs the big money is almost a different band . What album in your opinions did they go pop? I say signals

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 09:27 PM

They were constantly evolving from record to record. Rush couldn't have done Closer To The Heart on their debut any more than they could've done The Big Money on Signals. It was an album by album progression through a variety of different styles.

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 09:33 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 25 January 2021 - 09:27 PM, said:

They were constantly evolving from record to record. Rush couldn't have done Closer To The Heart on their debut any more than they could've done The Big Money on Signals. It was an album by album progression through a variety of different styles.
Ditto.

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Posted 25 January 2021 - 10:27 PM

I think PeW was their breakout to radio album.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 12:33 AM

I think if something is easily accessible and catchy, than it's popular or pop.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 01:03 AM

View PostRushFanForever, on 26 January 2021 - 12:33 AM, said:

I think if something is easily accessible and catchy, than it's popular or pop.

Hey baby it's a quarter to eight
I feel I'm in the mood
Hey baby, the hour is late!
I feel I've got to move

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 01:04 AM

Rush never went pop. They just evolved their sound to fit with the times.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 04:19 AM

At the time I thought Signals was a watershed ..... a much more commercial sounding Rush after that.
Now with the benefit of hindsight, (and perhaps a little more maturity!), I can see that it was a constant musical evolution with Rush, hence their longevity.
For me, not all of it always worked, but it sure was a mighty interesting ride!

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 08:31 AM

For the record I love all rush. Even presto and tfe. I just think there was a huge change after brown. I also sometimes think signals is the peak. Lol  subpar rush is still away better than most music. Slight off topic vital signs is a top 10 rush song

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 09:30 AM

View Postchemistry1973, on 25 January 2021 - 10:27 PM, said:

I think PeW was their breakout to radio album.
This.
PeW is when they started more consistently using traditional pop song format (not counting the freakazoid Natural Science).
intro-verse-prechorus-chorus-verse-prechorus-chorus-bridge-chorus-outro
It also helped that the first single was literally named after the spirit of this medium known as radio.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 01:10 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 25 January 2021 - 10:27 PM, said:

I think PeW was their breakout to radio album.

Yes, and this was the first album where I hesitated to accept it.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 05:33 PM

View Postzepphead, on 26 January 2021 - 04:19 AM, said:

At the time I thought Signals was a watershed ..... a much more commercial sounding Rush after that.
Now with the benefit of hindsight, (and perhaps a little more maturity!), I can see that it was a constant musical evolution with Rush, hence their longevity.
For me, not all of it always worked, but it sure was a mighty interesting ride!

Totally agree.

The band had discovered synthesizers when they made A Farewell to Kings.  After using them to compliment their songs in the next three albums, they wanted to see where they could go with even more keyboards and synths.  Signals to Hold Your Fire was quite a deep dive into the synth sounds.  They came back up for air when they made Presto.

Most importantly, the band scaled back on guitar solos in that era.  Maybe Alex had gotten bored with all the extended guitar-god soloing.  I believe that the lack of guitar solos really alienated old fans.  Because, as we all know, rock & roll is all about the guitar solo.... :haz:

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 09:37 PM

Signals doesn't sound THAT different from Moving Pictures, just slightly more keys. Signals to Grace was a much bigger shift in sound.

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Posted 26 January 2021 - 10:34 PM

It was definitely an album-to-album progression, but I'd say that Permanent Waves was very pivotal.

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Posted 27 January 2021 - 08:15 AM

The definition of 'going pop' is the issue.

I would have to think a great many people would see the initial example of non-pop Rush as a definitively 'pop' song. (Closer To the Heart).

I agree with those here that argue that they never went 'pop'.

Having their creative energy continually influenced by other artists is an inherently collaborative affair.

They didn't copy the Police, they incorporated ideas. Same with reggae, rap, prog, grunge, etc. Throughout those changes they always sounded like Rush- to the point that haters continued to hate no matter the changes. They retained whatever was 'Rush'. So haters hated it all and fans liked it all.

Obviously some if us reject an entire era, but most of us appreciate all of it to some degree.

So I say they never went 'pop', but sometimes they attracted popular attention, and sometimes they didn't.

So New World Man is pop because it was a hit, and Tai Shan wasn't.

Adding electronics didn't make them pop, nor did becoming quiet. Sometimes their songs just made the masses look their way for a second.

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Posted 27 January 2021 - 09:21 AM

It's true they had an evolution throughout, but some leaps were more jarring than others, and I'm with those who think one of the biggest was between MP and Signals. So 1981-1983 was the key period for me, but I don't know about more "pop." In some ways, pop music kind of came to them, in the sense that songs/videos like "Subdivisions" or "The Big Money" would get more MTV play, and thus more radio play, etc.

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Posted 27 January 2021 - 11:45 AM

View PostNova Carmina, on 27 January 2021 - 09:21 AM, said:

It's true they had an evolution throughout, but some leaps were more jarring than others, and I'm with those who think one of the biggest was between MP and Signals. So 1981-1983 was the key period for me, but I don't know about more "pop." In some ways, pop music kind of came to them, in the sense that songs/videos like "Subdivisions" or "The Big Money" would get more MTV play, and thus more radio play, etc.
Yeah, not "pop" so much as less complex, more mainstream rock. Signals had no epics, so maybe that's the one.

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Posted 27 January 2021 - 12:23 PM

View Postthizzellewashington, on 26 January 2021 - 09:37 PM, said:

Signals doesn't sound THAT different from Moving Pictures, just slightly more keys. Signals to Grace was a much bigger shift in sound.
Neil sounds different on Signals. He fell in love with Stewie and expanded his repertoire on Digital Man and The Weapon, just to name two.
But yeah, it's not that different otherwise. Chemistry sounds a LOT like The Camera Eye.

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Posted 27 January 2021 - 02:32 PM

To me its obvious.

When they fired Terry brown.




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