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Poll: AFTK vs Presto (23 member(s) have cast votes)

Which album is best?

  1. A Farewell to Kings (20 votes [86.96%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 86.96%

  2. Presto (3 votes [13.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.04%

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#21 Texas King

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:25 AM

Not in the same ballpark.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:25 AM

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postzepphead, on 28 September 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

Presto has actually got a vote. Its a funny old world!

That was me.

I love Xanadu.

That's it.

I enjoy Presto much more. Maybe because it was my first Rush studio release (after I became a fan, purchasing ASOF)

Available Light, Hand Over Fist, Show Me Don't Tell Me, The Pass - it's much more consistent record, though of course it doesn't have Cygnus or Xanadu ---But Presto also doen't include songs as cringe-worthy as Cinderella Man or Madrigal.

I think my drumming sensibilities have something to do with it. I just like the way NP plays on Presto - and I love that Copeland-inspired drum sound. On AFTK, the toms sound muted and dull, and snare doesn't have that CRACK that I love on Presto.

Of course I can't ignore how groundbreaking AFTK is, but it's Rush's Topographic Oceans Tormato to me. Great ideas that don't always cohere...
Presto, more consistent?


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:30 AM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postzepphead, on 28 September 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

Presto has actually got a vote. Its a funny old world!

That was me.

I love Xanadu.

That's it.

I enjoy Presto much more. Maybe because it was my first Rush studio release (after I became a fan, purchasing ASOF)

Available Light, Hand Over Fist, Show Me Don't Tell Me, The Pass - it's much more consistent record, though of course it doesn't have Cygnus or Xanadu ---But Presto also doen't include songs as cringe-worthy as Cinderella Man or Madrigal.

I think my drumming sensibilities have something to do with it. I just like the way NP plays on Presto - and I love that Copeland-inspired drum sound. On AFTK, the toms sound muted and dull, and snare doesn't have that CRACK that I love on Presto.

Of course I can't ignore how groundbreaking AFTK is, but it's Rush's Topographic Oceans Tormato to me. Great ideas that don't always cohere...
Presto, more consistent?


can't tell if serious

Even Anagram for Mongo sounds like it's part of a whole album statement. Presto is more of a Prog-work than AFTK. The songs are so disparate on that record. Xanadu is a masterpiece. Cygnus is awesome, but what about the other tracks? They're fun, but they're all different sounding song experiments.

Edited by chemistry1973, 28 September 2020 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:01 PM

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

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the only song on the album with excellent lyrics is "The Pass" and maybe "Presto" and "Red Tide"

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:07 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.
so Neil was a shit lyricist wasn't he? :eh:

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:08 PM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.
so Neil was a shit lyricist wasn't he? :eh:

No way. When he misses, he misses big. When he hits, he nails it.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:09 PM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

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the only song on the album with excellent lyrics is "The Pass" and maybe "Presto" and "Red Tide"
Scars has good lyrical imagery, as do Available Light, Chain Lightning, War Paint.  In their respective lyrics, Presto stacks up very well against AFTK as an album.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:24 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.
so Neil was a shit lyricist wasn't he? :eh:

No way. When he misses, he misses big. When he hits, he nails it.
From cringe-worthy to the sublime.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:27 PM

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.
so Neil was a shit lyricist wasn't he? :eh:

No way. When he misses, he misses big. When he hits, he nails it.
From cringe-worthy to the sublime.
but lyrics aren't the reason I listen to Rush (unlike some people here)

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:29 PM

AFTK turns me off at the first notes Alex plays.  I find his classical guitar intro pretty pedestrian composition-wise and lacking in expression on the technical side, compared to this lady's approach, for instance...



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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:31 PM

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

View Postzepphead, on 28 September 2020 - 02:45 AM, said:

Presto has actually got a vote. Its a funny old world!

That was me.

I love Xanadu.

That's it.

I enjoy Presto much more. Maybe because it was my first Rush studio release (after I became a fan, purchasing ASOF)

Available Light, Hand Over Fist, Show Me Don't Tell Me, The Pass - it's much more consistent record, though of course it doesn't have Cygnus or Xanadu ---But Presto also doen't include songs as cringe-worthy as Cinderella Man or Madrigal.

I think my drumming sensibilities have something to do with it. I just like the way NP plays on Presto - and I love that Copeland-inspired drum sound. On AFTK, the toms sound muted and dull, and snare doesn't have that CRACK that I love on Presto.

Of course I can't ignore how groundbreaking AFTK is, but it's Rush's Topographic Oceans Tormato to me. Great ideas that don't always cohere...
First purchases of a band's material will always make that album special to the individual ..... in my case I got Caress Of Steel and probably love it more than it deserves .... and in your case Presto.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:33 PM

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
How about dragons IN rocket ships ... man that would be good!!

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 12:41 PM

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 02:11 PM

I wasn't going to pick, and choose any particular one because I've liked them the same, and they've been uniquely different in each of their ways.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 04:34 PM

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 12:07 PM, said:

View Postchemistry1973, on 28 September 2020 - 12:06 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
at least it's better than talking about painting a mirror black or rock paper scissors
I like the idea of painting the mirror black as a pushback against how society pressures us to judge ourselves.  As for rock paper scissors, I don't like it as a song, but I do like the imagery used in the album art to represent the three members playing their instruments.

Posted Image

I like the imagery because it's a comment on appearances, and putting up a façade. The album narrative is about concealment, artifice and underlying troubles.

Paper beats rock because it HIDES the rock. I don't know, maybe that's silly, but I dig it.
so Neil was a shit lyricist wasn't he? :eh:

No way. When he misses, he misses big. When he hits, he nails it.
From cringe-worthy to the sublime.
but lyrics aren't the reason I listen to Rush (unlike some people here)

Then why did you mention the lyrics? You are the one who brought them up, right?

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 04:37 PM

View Postzepphead, on 28 September 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 28 September 2020 - 11:46 AM, said:

View Post_hi_water._, on 28 September 2020 - 10:34 AM, said:

the fact Presto has any votes baffles me
Because it doesn't have songs about dragons or rocket ships?
How about dragons IN rocket ships ... man that would be good!!

Or a rocket ship which doesn’t know it’s exploring inside the belly of a dragon?!





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