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#61 J2112YYZ

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 03:10 PM

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View PostPrincipled Man, on 16 February 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, I should have known better.  

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique.  Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

Never again.

Sorry. Agreed. Another thread is needed for the other issues. Especially origins of heavy metal.(I'm just learning myself). Black Sabbath definitely is a major major contributor.

Black Sabbath was released on Friday the 13th according to Wikipedia.So when did they start doing gigs? 69 or earlier?. Seems once they got the record contract they had so much material that they could get on one album.

They were orginally a blues band called Earth. They probably were playing gigs in Birmingham and other parts of the UK for a couple years before the first album. Tony Iommi got into an accident where he worked that damaged the tips of his fingers. So, he had to tune down his guitar in order for the vibration of the strings to not bother his fingers. That's how the heavy Sabbath sound was born. I think they changed the name to Black Sabbath in order to fit the darker tone Iommi had to start playing.

The band didn't have much money for studio time when recording their first album. So, they recorded the whole thing in one day.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:26 PM

View PostJ2112YYZ, on 16 February 2020 - 03:10 PM, said:

View Postjc4gd, on 16 February 2020 - 02:12 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 16 February 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, I should have known better.  

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique.  Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

Never again.

Sorry. Agreed. Another thread is needed for the other issues. Especially origins of heavy metal.(I'm just learning myself). Black Sabbath definitely is a major major contributor.

Black Sabbath was released on Friday the 13th according to Wikipedia.So when did they start doing gigs? 69 or earlier?. Seems once they got the record contract they had so much material that they could get on one album.

They were orginally a blues band called Earth. They probably were playing gigs in Birmingham and other parts of the UK for a couple years before the first album. Tony Iommi got into an accident where he worked that damaged the tips of his fingers. So, he had to tune down his guitar in order for the vibration of the strings to not bother his fingers. That's how the heavy Sabbath sound was born. I think they changed the name to Black Sabbath in order to fit the darker tone Iommi had to start playing.

The band didn't have much money for studio time when recording their first album. So, they recorded the whole thing in one day.

They had to change the name from Earth to something else when they discovered there was another relevant band already called Earth. Otherwise spot on.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 16 February 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Well, I should have known better.  

I thought that making a thread about Black Sabbath would generate some good discussion about BLACK SABBATH and their music, lyrics and mystique.  Instead, it created just more lame bickering about irrelevant bullshit.

Never again.

Guess you've never been here, lol

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM

EMO 4 LIFE.

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 06:05 PM

Listened to the debut today.  Awesome.

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 11:50 AM

I am not a superfan or have any expert insight, but I have heard the argument that the first album is meh, but they really "became" Black Sabbath with Paranoid. From what I've heard of the first one, it sounds pretty much like what would come later, but of course it lacks "Paranoid" and "Iron Man."

Anything in that theory?

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:41 PM

 Nova Carmina, on 17 February 2020 - 11:50 AM, said:

I am not a superfan or have any expert insight, but I have heard the argument that the first album is meh, but they really "became" Black Sabbath with Paranoid. From what I've heard of the first one, it sounds pretty much like what would come later, but of course it lacks "Paranoid" and "Iron Man."

Anything in that theory?

The debut has some great moments, but too much noodling and jamming to be their best work for my tastes.  Paranoid is one of the best albums ever released.  Not too surprising that the debut isn’t seen as better.

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:00 PM

 J2112YYZ, on 15 February 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

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 jc4gd, on 14 February 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

So they released two albums in 1970?!  https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

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Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

And Robert Pollard of Guided By Voices released seven albums (and one of them was a double album) in 2011. A lot, even by his standards. He has slowed down some since then, but still manages around three albums of new material every year.

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:04 PM

 J2112YYZ, on 15 February 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

 treeduck, on 15 February 2020 - 06:22 PM, said:

 jc4gd, on 14 February 2020 - 07:37 PM, said:

So they released two albums in 1970?!  https://en.wikipedia...Paranoid_(album)

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Yes.

Rush did the same in 1975 with Fly By Night and Caress Of Steel. Bands like the Beatles, Stones and Zeppelin have also released two albums in the same year.

In fact, FBN, CoS, and 2112 were all recorded and released within a total time span of sixteen months, at most.

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:24 PM

One of the best things I ever heard said about Sabbath was from Rob Zombie in an interview he gave about Sabbath. He said (paraphrasing a bit here): "We (everyone in the Metal genre) are all really just doing Sabbath. Some of us speed it up, some of us slow it down but it's all really just Sabbath. We're lucky they don't sue us all for plagiarism."

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 06:25 PM

View Postdriventotheedge, on 18 February 2020 - 04:24 PM, said:

One of the best things I ever heard said about Sabbath was from Rob Zombie in an interview he gave about Sabbath. He said (paraphrasing a bit here): "We (everyone in the Metal genre) are all really just doing Sabbath. Some of us speed it up, some of us slow it down but it's all really just Sabbath. We're lucky they don't sue us all for plagiarism."

I agree with this sentiment a lot, but not 100% literally.

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:19 PM

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:20 PM

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I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

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Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:24 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 18 February 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 18 February 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

Signed,

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Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

Thanks buddy!  I know!  I love all of the Sabbath stuff.  Even with Ian, Glenn, and Tony Martin, but for me it's the DIO Years!

Ironically I love "Never Say Die" and "Technical Ecstasy!"  "DIRTY WOMEN!"

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Posted 18 February 2020 - 09:25 PM

The Hughes Iommi "Seventh Star" record is underrated.

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Posted 19 February 2020 - 06:50 PM

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 18 February 2020 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 18 February 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 18 February 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

Signed,

"LIVE EVIL"

Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

Thanks buddy!  I know!  I love all of the Sabbath stuff.  Even with Ian, Glenn, and Tony Martin, but for me it's the DIO Years!

Ironically I love "Never Say Die" and "Technical Ecstasy!"  "DIRTY WOMEN!"
Dirty Women is a killer song

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Posted 19 February 2020 - 09:13 PM

View Postdriventotheedge, on 19 February 2020 - 06:50 PM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 18 February 2020 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 18 February 2020 - 09:20 PM, said:

View PostRUSHHEAD666, on 18 February 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

I love every Sabbath record but give me "HEAVEN AND HELL" and "THE MOB RULES!"

Signed,

"LIVE EVIL"

Those two are excellent Earl, but I just can't rank them over a few of the Ozzy albums.

Thanks buddy!  I know!  I love all of the Sabbath stuff.  Even with Ian, Glenn, and Tony Martin, but for me it's the DIO Years!

Ironically I love "Never Say Die" and "Technical Ecstasy!"  "DIRTY WOMEN!"
Dirty Women is a killer song

Killer!




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