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Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:55 PM

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 07:57 PM

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 08:16 PM

That gatefold LP cover scared the shit out of me when I was a little kid. My cousin showed it to me and she narrated some demon and devil stories thereto and when she dropped the needle of the record player, I nearly died! I was 8 at the time.

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 09:03 PM

DUDE 50 years of heavy metal!!!

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 09:43 PM

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 09:47 PM

No offense but what's special about that album?  I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood)

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:00 AM

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No offense but what's special about that album?  I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to?

The album is special because it's the band's debut album.  Black Sabbath's sound is unique, which is why people have been forever arguing over how to define it (heavy metal, psychedelic rock, etc.).  The band gave rise to a sub-genre of rock & roll, be it Satanic rock, or Occult Rock or whatever people want to call it.    

The band's sound and lyrics were immensely seductive to young people in the late 60's, who always loved a reason to reject Authority - especially the Catholic Church.  Just by mentioning Satan or Lucifer, the band made their songs very attractive to young people.  The heavy-blues rock music blended perfectly with the eerie, even scary lyrics that talked of Satan, Armageddon, and other horrors.  It was a perfect album for the counter-culture of the late 60's and early 70's.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 03:01 AM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

Agree to disagree.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 04:18 AM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

Who cares?  That opinion has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 09:14 AM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

I like to say that they both came up with the sound at about the same time. Blue Cheer's contribution to defining early metal is not to be overlooked.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 09:22 AM

View Postjc4gd, on 13 February 2020 - 09:47 PM, said:

No offense but what's special about that album?  I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood)

Objectively?  Well I suppose one could point to the technical abilities of Ward, Iommi and Butler.  That's about it.

Subjectively?  If you like the sound those three created with Osbourne (in the running for my favorite band) then it was a fantastic collection of songs.  It's not their best album, that will be celebrating its 50th a little later this year, but not too many bands released better debuts.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 10:52 AM

What doesn't mentioned a lot is that Black Sabbath has a jazz influence, which is noted in this recent Rolling Stone article here.

In 2005, All About Jazz interviewed drummer Bill Ward in a two part interview about the jazz influence here and here.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 11:30 AM

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What doesn't mentioned a lot is that Black Sabbath has a jazz influence, which is noted in this recent Rolling Stone article here.

In 2005, All About Jazz interviewed drummer Bill Ward in a two part interview about the jazz influence here and here.

Exactly. Ward added groove and nuance to the material. An EXCELLENT drummer. He added so much to the spookiness.You simply cannot engineer that sound that those 4 guys created organically.

Incredible band.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 01:52 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

Ditto Helter Skelter by The Beatles and Communication Breakdown by Zep.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 01:54 PM

View Postjc4gd, on 13 February 2020 - 09:47 PM, said:

No offense but what's special about that album?  I could never really get into it. How is it heavy metal and not psychedelic rock? What songs should one really listen to? (Hey I was actually born near Birmingham! So Sabbath is in my blood)

I consider the real Sabbath metal to start at my favorite album, MOR.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:06 PM

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View PostSegue Myles, on 14 February 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Blue Cheer were already metal before Sabbath.

Ditto Helter Skelter by The Beatles and Communication Breakdown by Zep.

You can probably call Revolution metal as well.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:15 PM

I’m still of the mind that metal was going to come about based on the increasingly heavy psychedelic and hard rock, but I’ve never heard anything prior to Sabbath’s debut that really crosses the line into metal. And it’s not just a matter of distortion or heavy riffs, but also a use of more taboo/dark themes in the composition of the music and the writing of t lyrics. And I agree with what was said about Sabbath’s jazz influence, and I think that actually helps to give the music that darker, scarier edge which helps it cross over into metal. Helter Skelter’s certainly heavy, but it’s also bright and peppy at the chorus, which give’s me more of a proto-metal feeling than definitively metal. I totally get people who disagree though, but I just wanted to share my perspective for why Sabbath really took what came before and combined it in a way that hadn’t yet been done, resulting in the first metal album.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:24 PM

i remember i saw an interview with ozzy and it made me laugh.  it was an older interview like maybe 1990's.  i can't find it now.  anyway he said he hated the term heavy metal.

he said "we were just a rock band man!!!"who knows if he still feels that way.

but it made me chuckle.

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