Three Eyes Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 A slap in the face to John and a tarnish on the Rush legacy, imo. Also, it would sound terrible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridge Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Neil couldn't groove as well as Rutsey. Those songs would sound choppy and cluttered, like the bootlegs do. This. He RUINED In The Mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I had no idea Rutsey lived into 2008. I thought he died in the ‘70s. He remained friends with Alex in particular. The touring history book mentions him hanging out with the band backstage in Toronto on the Presto tour I think. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I'm fine with the first album existing as it was, as a snapshot of what Rush was in its early days. Although I wish "The Loser" had ever been recorded in the studio. It's easily my least listened-to Rush album (besides Feedback) and I don't think having Neil replicate the drum parts would have changed that. Just seems like they had better things to do with their time and resources. No need to add Neil to the first album. It was a part of the history of the band. Don't re-create history. Yep. The first album is Lee-Lifeson-Rutsey. A lot of Rush fans have a soft spot for that debut album -- it's raw and youthful and loud, and Rutsey is big a part of that. No reason to erase him from Rush's history. Alex and Geddy aren't like Eddie Van Halen and the way he's treated Michael Anthony in recent years. We have several live versions of a few of those debut album songs with Neil on drums, and that's good enough. When Geddy was on the Eddie Trunk show and asked to rank the first 9 albums he put the debut in the middle. Clearly he also remembers it fondly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 He played many of the songs in concerts. Just wish they had studio remixed or re-recorded it with him playing.Could it be because those songs were recorded with a different drummer and the members of Rush felt it would be extremely disrespectful to that drummer's memory to do so? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JARG Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Many bands re-record albums just because they can. Many bands aren't Rush. It's not what they do. Really? They re-recorded Vapor TrailsNope. They remixed/remastered it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 My impression from interviews is that albums, once recorded, were a triumphant moment in time. Going back (or looking back), is not in the band's makeup. VT was remixed because fans kept calling/posting for fixes to the bricked mastering.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I love the debut. my first exposure to the group and to alter it would amount to sacrilege for me. others would say, you need to know when to stop polishing a turd. Perhaps they considered it but then said f@#K it and released feedback.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_World_Man Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Neil as great as he is might have overplayed on it and ruined the hard blues rock sound which required a more simple approach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Eyes Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I would love to hear In The Mood in 7/8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytserush Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Neil couldn't groove as well as Rutsey. Those songs would sound choppy and cluttered, like the bootlegs do. This. He RUINED In The Mood. That was ruined long before Neil got there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bahamas Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I love the first album and listen to it almost as much as all the rest. And John Rutsey's drumming was fantastic!I have often thought that auditioning a replacement drummer was about finding a drummer as good or better than Rutsey. How lucky we are that the bar was already set high for the next 40 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Adding Neil's playing to the first album? That would have been a shitty, Sharon Osborne kind of thing to do. Which is exactly what she did with the first 2 Ozzy albums at one point. Total douche move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeddysMullet Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Because why on earth would they want to? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeduck Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Because why on earth would they want to?So they can brick wall it and put it together with the Vapor Trails brick wall and the Snakes & Arrows brick wall and the Clockwork Angels brick wall and create the four walls of the caves of XANADU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Here are the notes to a re-recorded album by Cheap Trick Cheap Trick - The Unreleased Steve Albini Sessions60m44s Studio recording > ? > shn > wav > flac frontend level 8 > flac Tracks:01 - Hello There02 - Big Eyes03 - Downed04 - I Want You to Want Me05 - You're All Talk06 - Oh Caroline07 - Clock Strikes Ten08 - Southern Girls09 - Come On, Come On10 - So Good to See You11 - Fan Club12 - I Want You to Want Me (alternate)13 - Can't Hold On14 - I'm Losing You (Lennon)15 - Oh Caroline (alternate) Tracks 1-10 are the "In Color" album re-recorded. Tracks 11-15 are outtakes and alternates. From the original compiler:- On the "Rockline 2003" show, someone called in and asked the band for thehistory behind this disc, and Bun E. Carlos gave the explanation. The "InColor" album was produced by Tom Werman, but the band always felt that Wermanscrewed up the album. "He made it safe for radio, but the album sounds likeit was done in a cardboard box." So about five years ago [late 1990s] they were in thestudio hanging around with the producer Steve Albini, and had nothing to dofor a few days, so they said "Yeah, that would be fun to redo that." So theystarted re-recording the songs. They have not finished it yet, haven't gottenall the harmonies or instruments on it yet, but someday they might finish itand piggyback release it as a bonus disc with something else. Would love to have something like this in Rush's vault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Here are the notes to a re-recorded album by Cheap Trick Cheap Trick - The Unreleased Steve Albini Sessions60m44s Studio recording > ? > shn > wav > flac frontend level 8 > flac Tracks:01 - Hello There02 - Big Eyes03 - Downed04 - I Want You to Want Me05 - You're All Talk06 - Oh Caroline07 - Clock Strikes Ten08 - Southern Girls09 - Come On, Come On10 - So Good to See You11 - Fan Club12 - I Want You to Want Me (alternate)13 - Can't Hold On14 - I'm Losing You (Lennon)15 - Oh Caroline (alternate) Tracks 1-10 are the "In Color" album re-recorded. Tracks 11-15 are outtakes and alternates. From the original compiler:- On the "Rockline 2003" show, someone called in and asked the band for thehistory behind this disc, and Bun E. Carlos gave the explanation. The "InColor" album was produced by Tom Werman, but the band always felt that Wermanscrewed up the album. "He made it safe for radio, but the album sounds likeit was done in a cardboard box." So about five years ago [late 1990s] they were in thestudio hanging around with the producer Steve Albini, and had nothing to dofor a few days, so they said "Yeah, that would be fun to redo that." So theystarted re-recording the songs. They have not finished it yet, haven't gottenall the harmonies or instruments on it yet, but someday they might finish itand piggyback release it as a bonus disc with something else. Would love to have something like this in Rush's vault Other than adding more guitars to Signals or warming up the coldness of GUP, I'm not sure what else they would need to touch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Here are the notes to a re-recorded album by Cheap Trick Cheap Trick - The Unreleased Steve Albini Sessions60m44s Studio recording > ? > shn > wav > flac frontend level 8 > flac Tracks:01 - Hello There02 - Big Eyes03 - Downed04 - I Want You to Want Me05 - You're All Talk06 - Oh Caroline07 - Clock Strikes Ten08 - Southern Girls09 - Come On, Come On10 - So Good to See You11 - Fan Club12 - I Want You to Want Me (alternate)13 - Can't Hold On14 - I'm Losing You (Lennon)15 - Oh Caroline (alternate) Tracks 1-10 are the "In Color" album re-recorded. Tracks 11-15 are outtakes and alternates. From the original compiler:- On the "Rockline 2003" show, someone called in and asked the band for thehistory behind this disc, and Bun E. Carlos gave the explanation. The "InColor" album was produced by Tom Werman, but the band always felt that Wermanscrewed up the album. "He made it safe for radio, but the album sounds likeit was done in a cardboard box." So about five years ago [late 1990s] they were in thestudio hanging around with the producer Steve Albini, and had nothing to dofor a few days, so they said "Yeah, that would be fun to redo that." So theystarted re-recording the songs. They have not finished it yet, haven't gottenall the harmonies or instruments on it yet, but someday they might finish itand piggyback release it as a bonus disc with something else. Would love to have something like this in Rush's vault Other than adding more guitars to Signals or warming up the coldness of GUP, I'm not sure what else they would need to touch up. I’d love remixes of HYF Presto, COS and Signals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Would be nice if RTB and HYF were reworked somehow, to include some bottom end. Presto too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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