The MVP and Team Performance

[goose]

Post season performance now counts in the award?

 

I guess having Altuve. Springer, Correa, Gurriel. Cole and Verlander didnt really contribute to the Astros success

Bregman was their lone star!

I believe Trout and Bregman were tied for wins played one on nine.

[laughedatbytime]

Post season performance now counts in the award?

 

I guess having Altuve. Springer, Correa, Gurriel. Cole and Verlander didnt really contribute to the Astros success

Bregman was their lone star!

Voters submit their votes before the start of the postseason.

[Rick N. Backer]

In fairness, I think baseball is the toughest of the four real sports (;)) to vote for MVP. Larry Bird, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and LeBron James immediately leap to mind as having completely carried a team. In a similar vein (sorry LABT) Tom Brady at QB is the difference between how the Patriots fared in the 20th and 21st centuries. Put a Tim Thomas, in 2010, or a Jonathan Quick, in 2012, in net and you have a different hockey team, no matter what the forwards and D do many times. I think it’s harder for a baseball player to carry his team for 162 games.

[goose]

In fairness, I think baseball is the toughest of the four real sports (;)) to vote for MVP. Larry Bird, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and LeBron James immediately leap to mind as having completely carried a team. In a similar vein (sorry LABT) Tom Brady at QB is the difference between how the Patriots fared in the 20th and 21st centuries. Put a Tim Thomas, in 2010, or a Jonathan Quick, in 2012, in net and you have a different hockey team, no matter what the forwards and D do many times. I think it’s harder for a baseball player to carry his team for 162 games.

Pitchers and catchers aside, baseball players aren't directly involved in the action as frequently.

[Rick N. Backer]

In fairness, I think baseball is the toughest of the four real sports (;)) to vote for MVP. Larry Bird, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and LeBron James immediately leap to mind as having completely carried a team. In a similar vein (sorry LABT) Tom Brady at QB is the difference between how the Patriots fared in the 20th and 21st centuries. Put a Tim Thomas, in 2010, or a Jonathan Quick, in 2012, in net and you have a different hockey team, no matter what the forwards and D do many times. I think it’s harder for a baseball player to carry his team for 162 games.

Pitchers and catchers aside, baseball players aren't directly involved in the action as frequently.

 

And pitchers have different problems. Starters only go every fifth day and closers depend on the rest of the team to get an appearance.

[laughedatbytime]

In fairness, I think baseball is the toughest of the four real sports ( ;)) to vote for MVP. Larry Bird, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley and LeBron James immediately leap to mind as having completely carried a team. In a similar vein (sorry LABT) Tom Brady at QB is the difference between how the Patriots fared in the 20th and 21st centuries. Put a Tim Thomas, in 2010, or a Jonathan Quick, in 2012, in net and you have a different hockey team, no matter what the forwards and D do many times. I think it’s harder for a baseball player to carry his team for 162 games.

I think it's probably the easiest. Actions are much less dependent on the performance of others, making it much easier to isolate individual performance and therefore evaluation is less subject to the bias of human voters.

[goose]

Bregman adds to his non-MVP season with another homerun, the most by any 3rd baseman in MLB history.

 

lol

[laughedatbytime]

Bregman adds to his non-MVP season with another homerun, the most by any 3rd baseman in MLB history.

 

lol

We're about a month after the ballots were due at this point.

Edited October 30, 2019 by laughedatbytime

[goose]

Bregman adds to his non-MVP season with another homerun, the most by any 3rd baseman in MLB history.

 

lol

We're about a month after the ballots were due at this point.

Never too late for folks to be wrong. lol

[laughedatbytime]

Trout wins!

 

Even before Bregman's accomplishments became subject to real scrutiny.

[goose]

Trout wins!

 

Even before Bregman's accomplishments became subject to real scrutiny.

Yeah, Bregman sat out all September, so his stats really aren't legit as reflecting an entire season.

 

 

 

Wait...

[laughedatbytime]

Trout wins!

 

Even before Bregman's accomplishments became subject to real scrutiny.

Yeah, Bregman sat out all September, so his stats really aren't legit as reflecting an entire season.

 

 

 

Wait...

Bergman may be one player where you have to take his "teammates" ' contributions into account.

[invisible airwave]

Pains me to say it since I’m an Angels fan, but MVP shouldn’t go to someone on a team that had their worst season in 20 years. Sorry, Trout. This is A Rod in 02 all over again.

[goose]

https://medium.com/s...er-3f204068a661

 

THE 2019 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL SEASON. Mike Trout’s Los Angeles Angels were leading the Chicago White Sox 8–7 as the game reached the final inning. Trout did not start but was inserted into the lineup to pinch hit in a key spot with two outs and a runner on second. He was promptly intentionally walked, at which point he left the game for a pinch runner. Brian Goodwin lined out, but Hansel Robles took care of the Sox in order in the bottom of the 9th to close out the game.

Remember it?

 

Of course you don’t. Who remembers a meaningless September game between two meaningless teams? Why would you remember a meaningless at-bat that wasn’t even an at-bat? That pivotal moment was always going to be an intentional walk. The Angels had an 82% chance of winning before the walk and identical 82% odds after it. It was an irrelevant play between two irrelevant teams. The Angels improved to 67–76 while the Sox fell to 62–80. Neither team has mattered for months.

 

...how can a player so irrelevant be a sport’s MVP?

 

 

Mike Trout is the best player in baseball. We already know this, and we create new advanced metrics every year to prove it. Mike Trout is good. Make up a new statistic, and as long as Trout is at the top, the stat is probably okay.

 

And thus Trout must be the MVP.

 

Baseball is not baseball anymore. It’s just an equation we can solve. Take all the new advanced formulas, plug in the numbers, solve for X, and voila! Trout is MVP. It’s just that easy.

Edited November 15, 2019 by goose

[laughedatbytime]

https://medium.com/s...er-3f204068a661

 

THE 2019 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL SEASON. Mike Trout’s Los Angeles Angels were leading the Chicago White Sox 8–7 as the game reached the final inning. Trout did not start but was inserted into the lineup to pinch hit in a key spot with two outs and a runner on second. He was promptly intentionally walked, at which point he left the game for a pinch runner. Brian Goodwin lined out, but Hansel Robles took care of the Sox in order in the bottom of the 9th to close out the game.

Remember it?

 

Of course you don’t. Who remembers a meaningless September game between two meaningless teams? Why would you remember a meaningless at-bat that wasn’t even an at-bat? That pivotal moment was always going to be an intentional walk. The Angels had an 82% chance of winning before the walk and identical 82% odds after it. It was an irrelevant play between two irrelevant teams. The Angels improved to 67–76 while the Sox fell to 62–80. Neither team has mattered for months.

 

...how can a player so irrelevant be a sport’s MVP?

 

 

Mike Trout is the best player in baseball. We already know this, and we create new advanced metrics every year to prove it. Mike Trout is good. Make up a new statistic, and as long as Trout is at the top, the stat is probably okay.

 

And thus Trout must be the MVP.

 

Baseball is not baseball anymore. It’s just an equation we can solve. Take all the new advanced formulas, plug in the numbers, solve for X, and voila! Trout is MVP. It’s just that easy.

A compelling case that Trout, while having the most value, may not have been the PWTMMM in 2019.

[Tinwoodsman]

Trout wins, see yous in 2020! Bregman will win one of these years.

[Mithrandir]

YES. Justice is served.

[laughedatbytime]

https://medium.com/s...er-3f204068a661

 

THE 2019 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL SEASON. Mike Trout’s Los Angeles Angels were leading the Chicago White Sox 8–7 as the game reached the final inning. Trout did not start but was inserted into the lineup to pinch hit in a key spot with two outs and a runner on second. He was promptly intentionally walked, at which point he left the game for a pinch runner. Brian Goodwin lined out, but Hansel Robles took care of the Sox in order in the bottom of the 9th to close out the game.

Remember it?

 

Of course you don’t. Who remembers a meaningless September game between two meaningless teams? Why would you remember a meaningless at-bat that wasn’t even an at-bat? That pivotal moment was always going to be an intentional walk. The Angels had an 82% chance of winning before the walk and identical 82% odds after it. It was an irrelevant play between two irrelevant teams. The Angels improved to 67–76 while the Sox fell to 62–80. Neither team has mattered for months.

 

...how can a player so irrelevant be a sport’s MVP?

 

 

Mike Trout is the best player in baseball. We already know this, and we create new advanced metrics every year to prove it. Mike Trout is good. Make up a new statistic, and as long as Trout is at the top, the stat is probably okay.

 

And thus Trout must be the MVP.

 

Baseball is not baseball anymore. It’s just an equation we can solve. Take all the new advanced formulas, plug in the numbers, solve for X, and voila! Trout is MVP. It’s just that easy.

Next, this Luddite should do the NL. He could do a story about Bellinger going 1-4 with a double in some May game against the Padres that moved the Dodgers chances of winning the West from.99.3% to 99.5%. Oh, the memories.

 

Maybe he can even argue that Bellinger had negative value because his value was completely superfluous--the Dodgers would have won the division without him, and his excellence deprived us of a pennant race that would have created so many memories, the memories, that, instead of the boring task of creating value leading to winning games, make an MVP so MVPable. Boo, Cody!