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#21 vaportrailer

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:25 PM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

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Probably the best part of that great movie.

It sets up the audience for the horror that is about to come.  One of the best setups ever.  

The underlying theme of Quint and his pending doom is brilliant.  His lifelong vendetta against sharks is evident.  He's abrasive, arrogant and cocky, but as the film progresses, we see his internal horrific fear of sharks come out more and more, until he eventually gives up and asks Hooper for help.  He even breaks out the life jackets, because he knows that they're doomed.

I think he's also carried a tremendous amount of survivor's guilt with him all those years.  He's dedicated his life to killing sharks, but I think on some level not too far down, he wants to suffer the same fate as all the crewmen who died in the water.

That's possible.  He may have a death wish, which is why he hunts sharks for a living.  He's Ahab, waiting for his white whale to come for him.

He pretty much f*cks everything up when he smashes the radio. And then blowing out the engines was the icing on the cake.

The book pushes the Quint/Ahab connection to the point where they die the exact same way (drowned after being caught in a rope attached to the whale/shark). Oops. Spoiler!

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Posted 01 August 2019 - 03:51 PM

View Postvaportrailer, on 01 August 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably the best part of that great movie.

It sets up the audience for the horror that is about to come.  One of the best setups ever.  

The underlying theme of Quint and his pending doom is brilliant.  His lifelong vendetta against sharks is evident.  He's abrasive, arrogant and cocky, but as the film progresses, we see his internal horrific fear of sharks come out more and more, until he eventually gives up and asks Hooper for help.  He even breaks out the life jackets, because he knows that they're doomed.

I think he's also carried a tremendous amount of survivor's guilt with him all those years.  He's dedicated his life to killing sharks, but I think on some level not too far down, he wants to suffer the same fate as all the crewmen who died in the water.

That's possible.  He may have a death wish, which is why he hunts sharks for a living.  He's Ahab, waiting for his white whale to come for him.

He pretty much f*cks everything up when he smashes the radio. And then blowing out the engines was the icing on the cake.

The book pushes the Quint/Ahab connection to the point where they die the exact same way (drowned after being caught in a rope attached to the whale/shark). Oops. Spoiler!

The book's ending isn't nearly as explosive as the film's ending.   :doh:

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 08:58 PM

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The fate of the men on the Indianapolis was horrible. My dad was in the navy over a decade later and they still talked about it. There was a show about it one time on History or Discovery and he wouldn't watch it.

I read the book, such a terrible tragedy. And what the Navy did to the Captain was unconscionable, I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

The book is In Harm's Way by Doug Stanton (who's a simply outstanding historian). If you're at all interested in the tragedy of the USS Indianapolis then you should read it.

https://www.amazon.c...=gateway&sr=8-1

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 09:19 PM

View PostJack Aubrey, on 08 August 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 July 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

The fate of the men on the Indianapolis was horrible. My dad was in the navy over a decade later and they still talked about it. There was a show about it one time on History or Discovery and he wouldn't watch it.

I read the book, such a terrible tragedy. And what the Navy did to the Captain was unconscionable, I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

It seems to me that it’s classic scapegoating.  There always has to be a fall guy.

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 09:26 AM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 08 August 2019 - 09:19 PM, said:

View PostJack Aubrey, on 08 August 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postblueschica, on 30 July 2019 - 04:17 PM, said:

The fate of the men on the Indianapolis was horrible. My dad was in the navy over a decade later and they still talked about it. There was a show about it one time on History or Discovery and he wouldn't watch it.

I read the book, such a terrible tragedy. And what the Navy did to the Captain was unconscionable, I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.

It seems to me that it’s classic scapegoating.  There always has to be a fall guy.

Yes, he was scapegoated, but he didn't have to be the fall guy. As you know, we lost thousands of ships during WWII and no Captain was  ever charged for it. However, Captain McVay was, and was found guilty even though he was following his orders to the letter. Captain McVay was court-martialed and found guilty in order to divert attention from the fact that the Navy did nothing to search for the Indianapolis survivors and that they were only found by accident by a PBY on routine patrol. According to friends and family, Captain McVay was never the same afterwards and wound up taking his own life in 1968. It took a 9 year-old student, Hunter Scott, writing a research paper for a class history project in 1996 to exonerate him which just further compounds the tragedy of the Indianapolis.

Edited by Jack Aubrey, 11 August 2019 - 12:54 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2019 - 05:20 PM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 01 August 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 01 August 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably the best part of that great movie.

It sets up the audience for the horror that is about to come.  One of the best setups ever.  

The underlying theme of Quint and his pending doom is brilliant.  His lifelong vendetta against sharks is evident.  He's abrasive, arrogant and cocky, but as the film progresses, we see his internal horrific fear of sharks come out more and more, until he eventually gives up and asks Hooper for help.  He even breaks out the life jackets, because he knows that they're doomed.

I think he's also carried a tremendous amount of survivor's guilt with him all those years.  He's dedicated his life to killing sharks, but I think on some level not too far down, he wants to suffer the same fate as all the crewmen who died in the water.

That's possible.  He may have a death wish, which is why he hunts sharks for a living.  He's Ahab, waiting for his white whale to come for him.

He pretty much f*cks everything up when he smashes the radio. And then blowing out the engines was the icing on the cake.

The book pushes the Quint/Ahab connection to the point where they die the exact same way (drowned after being caught in a rope attached to the whale/shark). Oops. Spoiler!

The book's ending isn't nearly as explosive as the film's ending.   :doh:

The book is not so good. :(
The movie is excellent. :)

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Posted 11 August 2019 - 05:47 PM

View Postvaportrailer, on 11 August 2019 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 01 August 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 01 August 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably the best part of that great movie.

It sets up the audience for the horror that is about to come.  One of the best setups ever.  

The underlying theme of Quint and his pending doom is brilliant.  His lifelong vendetta against sharks is evident.  He's abrasive, arrogant and cocky, but as the film progresses, we see his internal horrific fear of sharks come out more and more, until he eventually gives up and asks Hooper for help.  He even breaks out the life jackets, because he knows that they're doomed.

I think he's also carried a tremendous amount of survivor's guilt with him all those years.  He's dedicated his life to killing sharks, but I think on some level not too far down, he wants to suffer the same fate as all the crewmen who died in the water.

That's possible.  He may have a death wish, which is why he hunts sharks for a living.  He's Ahab, waiting for his white whale to come for him.

He pretty much f*cks everything up when he smashes the radio. And then blowing out the engines was the icing on the cake.

The book pushes the Quint/Ahab connection to the point where they die the exact same way (drowned after being caught in a rope attached to the whale/shark). Oops. Spoiler!

The book's ending isn't nearly as explosive as the film's ending.   :doh:

The book is not so good.
I do like the opening line, though...

"The great fish moved silently through the night water, propelled by short sweeps of its crescent tail."

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Posted 13 August 2019 - 03:52 PM

View Postgoose, on 11 August 2019 - 05:47 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 11 August 2019 - 05:20 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 01 August 2019 - 03:51 PM, said:

View Postvaportrailer, on 01 August 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 09:46 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 31 July 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:

View PostMaverick, on 31 July 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably the best part of that great movie.

It sets up the audience for the horror that is about to come.  One of the best setups ever.  

The underlying theme of Quint and his pending doom is brilliant.  His lifelong vendetta against sharks is evident.  He's abrasive, arrogant and cocky, but as the film progresses, we see his internal horrific fear of sharks come out more and more, until he eventually gives up and asks Hooper for help.  He even breaks out the life jackets, because he knows that they're doomed.

I think he's also carried a tremendous amount of survivor's guilt with him all those years.  He's dedicated his life to killing sharks, but I think on some level not too far down, he wants to suffer the same fate as all the crewmen who died in the water.

That's possible.  He may have a death wish, which is why he hunts sharks for a living.  He's Ahab, waiting for his white whale to come for him.

He pretty much f*cks everything up when he smashes the radio. And then blowing out the engines was the icing on the cake.

The book pushes the Quint/Ahab connection to the point where they die the exact same way (drowned after being caught in a rope attached to the whale/shark). Oops. Spoiler!

The book's ending isn't nearly as explosive as the film's ending.   :doh:

The book is not so good.
I do like the opening line, though...

"The great fish moved silently through the night water, propelled by short sweeps of its crescent tail."

Funnily enough, the shark/ocean scenes come off the best in the book.
But when he writes about humans, it's lifeless somehow. Every character is unlikable. You end up cheering for the shark.

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