fraroc Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 According to wikipedia, "Dark wave or darkwave is a music genre that emerged from the new wave and post-punk movement of the late 1970s.[5][6] Dark wave compositions are largely based on minor key tonality and introspective lyrics, and have been perceived as being dark, romantic, and bleak, with an undertone of sorrow." Essentially synthpop with dark, depressing lyrics. Based on this definition alone, I think that Grace Under Pressure falls under this category. Every single track on this record showcases some kind of darkness, sadness, or unpleasantry about life. 1. Distant Early Warning: Cold War tensions and nuclear war2. Afterimage: Loss of a loved one3. Red Sector A: The Holocaust4. The Enemy Within: Anxiety and the power of fear5. The Body Electric: Technology taking over humanity6. Kid Gloves: Bullying and hatred7. Red Lenses: McCarthyism and The Red Scare8. Between The Wheels: Living in times of war. What do you guys think? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entre_Perpetuo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Sure, why not? Although I had always thought darkwave came more from synthwave than new wave, and believe it or not I don't think any of Rush's music has enough synth to qualify as synthwave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordgalaxy Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 There's certainly nothing romantic about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeson90 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 As Rush in a kind of unique genre of their own then yeah GuP could very well be classed as the band's very own unique Dark wave, not fitting completely into pattern of general Dark wave but their own version of it probably isn't the only album to fit into that category actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 the whole vibe for g/p is dark, cold, bleak...especially Alex's guitar tone, it sounds like he was recorded in some moonless, frozen wasteland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 the whole vibe for g/p is dark, cold, bleak...especially Alex's guitar tone, it sounds like he was recorded in some moonless, frozen wasteland. I've been thinking this about G/P for years. It is a cold album, it is a Cold War album. The last drum crash of Between the Wheels is very cold. And Alex's tone. throughout, is consistently cold, but not in an unpleasant way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 There's certainly nothing romantic about it. It definitely isn't romantic in the contemporary sense of the word. But I can see it being that in the classical sense of the word. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Interesting...I suppose so, based on the definition given. But honestly it’s not something I’d ever think about while I’m listening; I’d rather just enjoy the music on the album the same way that I have since it was new. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorraine Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) According to wikipedia, "Dark wave or darkwave is a music genre that emerged from the new wave and post-punk movement of the late 1970s.[5][6] Dark wave compositions are largely based on minor key tonality and introspective lyrics, and have been perceived as being dark, romantic, and bleak, with an undertone of sorrow." Essentially synthpop with dark, depressing lyrics. Based on this definition alone, I think that Grace Under Pressure falls under this category. Every single track on this record showcases some kind of darkness, sadness, or unpleasantry about life. 1. Distant Early Warning: Cold War tensions and nuclear war2. Afterimage: Loss of a loved one3. Red Sector A: The Holocaust4. The Enemy Within: Anxiety and the power of fear5. The Body Electric: Technology taking over humanity6. Kid Gloves: Bullying and hatred7. Red Lenses: McCarthyism and The Red Scare8. Between The Wheels: Living in times of war. What do you guys think? i think someone has way too much time on their hands and needs to get out more and laugh and have a good time. Good to see you, Fraroc. :) Where did you disappear to? Edited June 24, 2019 by Lorraine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezJem Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I'd say yes to the musical ingredients as fitting the criteria (in principle), but the difference is Rush were not navel-gazing, self-absorbed. And... well it's Rush. So not narrowly definable even on one album - the tempo alone drags it well above stock Darkwave fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Many bands were biting dark-wave at the time, so I think with Rush, they were influenced by dark wave, because in turn, dark wave was influencing pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I've never heard of darkwave in my puff! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Many bands were biting dark-wave at the time, so I think with Rush, they were influenced by dark wave, because in turn, dark wave was influencing pop.Sorta disagree...this is '83/84' Madonna, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, Huey Lewis, Phil Collins... were dominating MTV...(plus add your crap hair band....) The only other mainstream band that I would consider darkwave was U2... Maybe that`s why Alex cites Dave Evens as an influence.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planet X-1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 .....just to add Pink Floyd are the creators of darkwave....or more aptly put 'tortured-soul-wave' :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smegger68 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Lol. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasbo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I remember at the time of GUP I was listening to Rage in Eden by Ultravox and War by U2 a lot and most likely so were Rush.They had a darker,minor tone to them.Midge Ure ‘s arpeggios and lots of synths were similar and I thought The Edge’s solo on New Years Day was something Alex could have dreamed up.Unlike a lot of Rush fans they didn’t like this new sound.I thought it was great.Darkwave is a good term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSHHEAD666 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 the whole vibe for g/p is dark, cold, bleak...especially Alex's guitar tone, it sounds like he was recorded in some moonless, frozen wasteland. I've been thinking this about G/P for years. It is a cold album, it is a Cold War album. The last drum crash of Between the Wheels is very cold. And Alex's tone. throughout, is consistently cold, but not in an unpleasant way. This is one of the best Rush Threads all year. "GUP" will always be my second favorite Rush record. "Dark Wave" is a great term for such a moonless masterpiece. Yet the stars still shine brightly in the Rush Universe. The irony for me on "Between The Wheels" is for my ears, Alex's solo is one of the most beautiful and melodic guitar solos on the planet. When I play my drums to that song and Alex's solo starts I drift into an inspired zone that leaves me uplifted and and excited. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBlaze Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Doesn’t matter what it is. Only matters what it does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) There's certainly nothing romantic about it. It definitely isn't romantic in the contemporary sense of the word. But I can see it being that in the classical sense of the word. Edited June 25, 2019 by goose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) the whole vibe for g/p is dark, cold, bleak...especially Alex's guitar tone, it sounds like he was recorded in some moonless, frozen wasteland. I've been thinking this about G/P for years. It is a cold album, it is a Cold War album. The last drum crash of Between the Wheels is very cold. And Alex's tone. throughout, is consistently cold, but not in an unpleasant way. This is one of the best Rush Threads all year. "GUP" will always be my second favorite Rush record. "Dark Wave" is a great term for such a moonless masterpiece. Yet the stars still shine brightly in the Rush Universe. The irony for me on "Between The Wheels" is for my ears, Alex's solo is one of the most beautiful and melodic guitar solos on the planet. When I play my drums to that song and Alex's solo starts I drift into an inspired zone that leaves me uplifted and and excited.:goodone: The whole album affects me that way...as though below all the bleak observation there's an underlying optimism. Edited June 25, 2019 by goose 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasbo Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 the whole vibe for g/p is dark, cold, bleak...especially Alex's guitar tone, it sounds like he was recorded in some moonless, frozen wasteland. I've been thinking this about G/P for years. It is a cold album, it is a Cold War album. The last drum crash of Between the Wheels is very cold. And Alex's tone. throughout, is consistently cold, but not in an unpleasant way. This is one of the best Rush Threads all year. "GUP" will always be my second favorite Rush record. "Dark Wave" is a great term for such a moonless masterpiece. Yet the stars still shine brightly in the Rush Universe. The irony for me on "Between The Wheels" is for my ears, Alex's solo is one of the most beautiful and melodic guitar solos on the planet. When I play my drums to that song and Alex's solo starts I drift into an inspired zone that leaves me uplifted and and excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasbo Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Between the Wheels is one of Alex’s best solos,gripping and emotional,like all his solos on the album. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Many bands were biting dark-wave at the time, so I think with Rush, they were influenced by dark wave, because in turn, dark wave was influencing pop.Sorta disagree...this is '83/84' Madonna, Michael Jackson, Van Halen, Huey Lewis, Phil Collins... were dominating MTV...(plus add your crap hair band....) The only other mainstream band that I would consider darkwave was U2... Maybe that`s why Alex cites Dave Evens as an influence.... Tears for FearsThe PoliceDuran DuranEspecially U2Ultravox Roxy Music I’d say were all darwave influenced, and pretty influential and big in 83/84. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemistry1973 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 The Enemy Within progression steals wholesale from Spirits in the Material World by the Police, which is on their dark-wave inspired Ghost in the Machine. Listen to the outro of TEW and then the intro of Spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Revisionist history imo. Reversed engineered horseshit.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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