laughedatbytime Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done.By the end of Manning's tenure the team was struggling to make it out of the first round. While the QBs they had on the roster weren't great, the 1-15 record the year of Manning's injury was indicative of the talent throughout the roster, they were so bad they didn't have to tank. I think it was a good thing for Manning to start with a team with talent and not have to spend his last few years with that decaying roster. And while, due to his sheer greatness Peyton might have been able to get to the playoffs they would have been easy outs once they got there. Not a good look for Colts fans, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done. Peyton went on to lead Denver to 2 superbowls was upset as the favorite in the the two years they didn't make it.Steve Young said Luck was the 1 and only QB he watched in college the last 20 years or so that he knew would be a great in the NFL You don't pass up generational talent at the hardest position to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done. Peyton went on to lead Denver to 2 superbowls was upset as the favorite in the the two years they didn't make it.Steve Young said Luck was the 1 and only QB he watched in college the last 20 years or so that he knew would be a great in the NFL You don't pass up generational talent at the hardest position to fill. Would you say he was actually great? I wouldn't quite go that far, even when he was healthy. I wouldn't say he was ever a top 5 quarterback at any time in the last 6 years. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees were constants, and then you can take your pick with Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, and what's his face out in San Diego. Wentz until he went down, and even Matt Ryan can possibly make a claim to being ahead of Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done. Peyton went on to lead Denver to 2 superbowls was upset as the favorite in the the two years they didn't make it.Steve Young said Luck was the 1 and only QB he watched in college the last 20 years or so that he knew would be a great in the NFL You don't pass up generational talent at the hardest position to fill. Would you say he was actually great? I wouldn't quite go that far, even when he was healthy. I wouldn't say he was ever a top 5 quarterback at any time in the last 6 years. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees were constants, and then you can take your pick with Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, and what's his face out in San Diego. Wentz until he went down, and even Matt Ryan can possibly make a claim to being ahead of Luck.I'd call him great, but maybe "great" gets thrown around too much. I can't hold him up to Brady obviously, or Ben/Brees/ARod career wise because of the rings + longevity. Don't forget R.Wilson also. Luck had 39 tds last year...second to Mahomes. So yeah, if not top 5...damn close. Mahomes and Wentz aren't in the conversation yet...we'll see. I do appreciate Matt Ryan. I'd take him on my team in a hot second. He's in the hall of very, very good with Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunter Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done. Peyton went on to lead Denver to 2 superbowls was upset as the favorite in the the two years they didn't make it.Steve Young said Luck was the 1 and only QB he watched in college the last 20 years or so that he knew would be a great in the NFL You don't pass up generational talent at the hardest position to fill. Would you say he was actually great? I wouldn't quite go that far, even when he was healthy. I wouldn't say he was ever a top 5 quarterback at any time in the last 6 years. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees were constants, and then you can take your pick with Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, and what's his face out in San Diego. Wentz until he went down, and even Matt Ryan can possibly make a claim to being ahead of Luck.I'd call him great, but maybe "great" gets thrown around too much. I can't hold him up to Brady obviously, or Ben/Brees/ARod career wise because of the rings + longevity. Don't forget R.Wilson also. Luck had 39 tds last year...second to Mahomes. So yeah, if not top 5...damn close. Mahomes and Wentz aren't in the conversation yet...we'll see. I do appreciate Matt Ryan. I'd take him on my team in a hot second. He's in the hall of very, very good with Rivers. I was thinking quick. I was in church. I was thinking, Eli yes or Eli no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Eli no. True, two rings is hard to argue with, but big upsets both times, strong supporting cast, good defenses. I've always thought Matt Stafford would have done better on a different team, but I'd still have taken Luck ahead of him, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane. He took over a perennial AFC Finalist team that tanked for 1 year to get him, kicking a Hall-of-Famer to the curb in the process. And in his 1 AFC title game, he got utterly blown out. A fact that gets overlooked because it was the deflategate game. He was no Ryan Leaf, but in hindsight, I think the Colts would have had better results sticking with Manning, and then truly rebuilding when he was done. Peyton went on to lead Denver to 2 superbowls was upset as the favorite in the the two years they didn't make it.Steve Young said Luck was the 1 and only QB he watched in college the last 20 years or so that he knew would be a great in the NFL You don't pass up generational talent at the hardest position to fill. Would you say he was actually great? I wouldn't quite go that far, even when he was healthy. I wouldn't say he was ever a top 5 quarterback at any time in the last 6 years. Brady, Rodgers, and Brees were constants, and then you can take your pick with Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes, and what's his face out in San Diego. Wentz until he went down, and even Matt Ryan can possibly make a claim to being ahead of Luck.I'd call him great, but maybe "great" gets thrown around too much. I can't hold him up to Brady obviously, or Ben/Brees/ARod career wise because of the rings + longevity. Don't forget R.Wilson also. Luck had 39 tds last year...second to Mahomes. So yeah, if not top 5...damn close. Mahomes and Wentz aren't in the conversation yet...we'll see. I do appreciate Matt Ryan. I'd take him on my team in a hot second. He's in the hall of very, very good with Rivers. I was thinking quick. I was in church. I was thinking, Eli yes or Eli no?Eli is a tough one. He's more really good (was) than great. Still a Hall of Famer IMO if Rivers is even in the discussion for HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 What a bust.... You're joking, right?? Yes and no. When he was on, he could be fantastic. But I'm guessing Indy fans are feeling like he never delivered on his real potential. Hell, they were booing him by the end of the game last night. Not to mention, his teammates must be thinking WTF dude?Luck is not even close to being a bust. He took over a truly awful team, with a second rate coach, and brought them to being a perennial playoff team, still with a horrible roster. Then after being injured for a year, with a competent GM and a quickly improving roster, he was back in the playoffs. It would have been fun to see what he could have done if healthy this year. They would have been top 2 or 3 in the AFC, and could have easily gone to the Super Bowl. But he has given all he could, and could do no more, and one can't blame him from hanging it up. The timing isn't great for the team, but they're not going through what he is, and he's the only one who knows exactly what that is, and very few know what it's like to go through the rigors of an NFL season, which is almost inhumane.What they did to a young Luck, putting him out there with one of the worst offensive lines in football, was criminal. He took way too much punishment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbear05 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Dave Hyde of the Sun-Sentinel gave a rundown of all the shit Luck has been through: Partially torn abdomen. Lacerated kidney, allowing him the joy of peeing blood. Torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. A collapsed lung. Torn cartilage in two ribs. One reported concussion. And some odd calf or ankle issue that has kept him out of pre-season play. Whatcha want next, a permanent case of CTE? Jesus K Reist! Andrew Luck gets out of football, retains a wad of cash, and his health relatively intact? Good on you, m8! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Dave Hyde of the Sun-Sentinel gave a rundown of all the shit Luck has been through: Partially torn abdomen. Lacerated kidney, allowing him the joy of peeing blood. Torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. A collapsed lung. Torn cartilage in two ribs. One reported concussion. And some odd calf or ankle issue that has kept him out of pre-season play. Whatcha want next, a permanent case of CTE? Jesus K Reist! Andrew Luck gets out of football, retains a wad of cash, and his health relatively intact? Good on you, m8!Sounds like what Jim McMahon went through. And now he's got CTE issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g under p Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Luck may have gone further with his Colts team had he not have deal with the play of teams like the Patriots. He was far from a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue J Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Dave Hyde of the Sun-Sentinel gave a rundown of all the shit Luck has been through: Partially torn abdomen. Lacerated kidney, allowing him the joy of peeing blood. Torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. A collapsed lung. Torn cartilage in two ribs. One reported concussion. And some odd calf or ankle issue that has kept him out of pre-season play. Whatcha want next, a permanent case of CTE? Jesus K Reist! Andrew Luck gets out of football, retains a wad of cash, and his health relatively intact? Good on you, m8!Sounds like what Jim McMahon went through. And now he's got CTE issues. Yes...I can see both sides, I mean I agree with you pj, his getting out is a good decision for his health. But he is also far from being out of the woods, long-term. The CTE symptoms could rear their head 10-20 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps211 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm glad he's hanging it up before he cripples himself for our amusement. TRUTH. He's filthy rich, married to a beautiful woman, and he wants to travel the world. What's not to like about that?!! :haz: :haz: all true but his timing really stinks ... and they said he got hurt in a game last year but plays in the pro bowl? a lot of mystery around all this .. more to this story I bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm glad he's hanging it up before he cripples himself for our amusement. TRUTH. He's filthy rich, married to a beautiful woman, and he wants to travel the world. What's not to like about that?!! :haz: :haz: all true but his timing really stinks ... and they said he got hurt in a game last year but plays in the pro bowl? a lot of mystery around all this .. more to this story I betI doubt it, though, for the first time in his career he's got a competent GM and a decent O Line. The cycle of chronic pain and constant rehab combined with a new family and greater awareness of the dangers of football...plus being set for life and having interests outside the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick N. Backer Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I'm glad he's hanging it up before he cripples himself for our amusement. TRUTH. He's filthy rich, married to a beautiful woman, and he wants to travel the world. What's not to like about that?!! :haz: :haz: all true but his timing really stinks ... and they said he got hurt in a game last year but plays in the pro bowl? a lot of mystery around all this .. more to this story I betI doubt it, though, for the first time in his career he's got a competent GM and a decent O Line. The cycle of chronic pain and constant rehab combined with a new family and greater awareness of the dangers of football...plus being set for life and having interests outside the game... It sort of reminds me of the scene in All the Right Moves when the Tom Cruise character says he's looking to trade football for a college education and still be able to walk. EDIT: At 0:42 Edited August 28, 2019 by Rick N. Backer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laughedatbytime Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Find get two first rounders and one second for Tunsil and Stills... :cheerleader: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nova Carmina Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 So I don't know how quickly the LaFleur offense will gel, and the Bears defense was pretty good, and Da Bears are at home: Bears 20, Packers 13 (side bet: the Bears kicker misses an extra point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 So I don't know how quickly the LaFleur offense will gel, and the Bears defense was pretty good, and Da Bears are at home: Bears 20, Packers 13 (side bet: the Bears kicker misses an extra point) Packer fans are in a strange place right now. We truly do not know what to expect. Big win, big loss, low-scoring, high-scoring.....we’re clueless!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket ignites Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The Packers and Bears epic 2019 battle for 2nd place in the Black & Blue division begins tonight! Good luck I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Second place? Well, it's unlikely that Detroit will win the division, but I guess it's possible . . . . who else . . . . nope, can't think of anybody . . . The NFL Norris is just a side show for me: Come on, you Cowboys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbear05 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Jeez, Packers/Bears was a snore fest. Hope that's not an omen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Carmina Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Yeah, not that riveting. It was almost like some of these guys weren't really ready for the first meaningful game. I don't want every game to finish 55-51, but wide-spread competence would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 Yeah, not that riveting. It was almost like some of these guys weren't really ready for the first meaningful game. I don't want every game to finish 55-51, but wide-spread competence would be nice. It’s as if these teams think that starters don’t have to play in pre-season games.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Principled Man Posted September 7, 2019 Author Share Posted September 7, 2019 Antonio Brown, freshly waived free agent, your new jersey is all ready. Hope it fits!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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