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#1 goose

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:52 PM

Stumbled across this on the YouTube.  It's a good watch if you're into drummers, especially from Stew talking about Ringo, John Densmore, Mitch Mitchell...  Start at 23:00, unless you want a history of the trap set.



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:06 PM

Thanks.  I'm going to watch this.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:43 PM

 Lorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

Thanks.  I'm going to watch this.
I remember you being interested in this kind of thing.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

View Postgoose, on 11 February 2019 - 02:43 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

Thanks.  I'm going to watch this.
I remember you being interested in this kind of thing.

I am.  Very much so.  Talent fascinates me.

And I like Stewart a lot.

Edited by Lorraine, 11 February 2019 - 02:49 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

I guess you'd have to be a drummer to appreciate their sound.  I never thought Ringo was anything special on the drums, but I've been told many times how wrong I am about that.


Ooo, Marvin Gaye Inner City Blues!!!!  :)


Maybe I can get one of those little drum kits!  That's about my speed at this point in my life.  :codger: :syrinx:


Thanks again, Goose, for posing this!

Edited by Lorraine, 11 February 2019 - 03:37 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:01 PM

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Who's the drummer with the lime green baseball hat and yellow shades?  I know him, but I can't recall his name/band to mind.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:38 PM

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View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

Who's the drummer with the lime green baseball hat and yellow shades?  I know him, but I can't recall his name/band to mind.

Chad Smith

Thanks.  Hot Chili Peppers.  It was posted at the end of the documentary, so I deleted my question, but I thank you just the same for answering me.  :)

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:48 PM

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

I guess you'd have to be a drummer to appreciate their sound.  I never thought Ringo was anything special on the drums, but I've been told many times how wrong I am about that.

What I likes about this video is the Stew and his guest drummers go deep into those questions.  How did each of those drummers bring a distinctive feel to the work?   NPR had a thing on this Sunday about the brain and how it processes things.  People with right-side brain damage lose an appreciation for music in that they hear the notes, but lose the space between the notes that makes a collection of notes musical.  Very gestalt.

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:04 PM

View Postgoose, on 11 February 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

I guess you'd have to be a drummer to appreciate their sound.  I never thought Ringo was anything special on the drums, but I've been told many times how wrong I am about that.

What I likes about this video is the Stew and his guest drummers go deep into those questions.  How did each of those drummers bring a distinctive feel to the work?   NPR had a thing on this Sunday about the brain and how it processes things.  People with right-side brain damage lose an appreciation for music in that they hear the notes, but lose the space between the notes that makes a collection of notes musical.  Very gestalt.
A good example of Ringo's feel is the song "Long, Long, Long"



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:48 PM

View PostReRushed, on 11 February 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 11 February 2019 - 03:48 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

I guess you'd have to be a drummer to appreciate their sound.  I never thought Ringo was anything special on the drums, but I've been told many times how wrong I am about that.

What I likes about this video is the Stew and his guest drummers go deep into those questions.  How did each of those drummers bring a distinctive feel to the work?   NPR had a thing on this Sunday about the brain and how it processes things.  People with right-side brain damage lose an appreciation for music in that they hear the notes, but lose the space between the notes that makes a collection of notes musical.  Very gestalt.
A good example of Ringo's feel is the song "Long, Long, Long"


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM

 Lorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:12 PM

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.
If you have the time, would you listen to Kashmir and point out to me in that song what you are talking about?

What do you mean about hanging back behind the beat?

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:21 PM

View PostLorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.
If you have the time, would you listen to Kashmir and point out to me in that song what you are talking about?

What do you mean about hanging back behind the beat?
Think of it this way....  If you wrote out Bohnam's drum parts and had them played back by a drum machine, each beat would be right on time, and it would end up sound stiff and robotic.  Bonham's playing has an ever-so-slight lag to it, which translates in the human ear to a groove feel.  A simpler version of that is AC/DC's Phil Rudd, who also has a great groove feel.  Timing and accentuation of beats (on the hi-hat, each beat isn't hit with the same power, for example) creates drum "feel".  

Neil Peart is often criticized for lacking feel, but if you listen to a track like Alien Shore, you can hear that he's capable of it.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:33 PM

View Postgoose, on 12 February 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.
If you have the time, would you listen to Kashmir and point out to me in that song what you are talking about?

What do you mean about hanging back behind the beat?
Think of it this way....  If you wrote out Bohnam's drum parts and had them played back by a drum machine, each beat would be right on time, and it would end up sound stiff and robotic.  Bonham's playing has an ever-so-slight lag to it, which translates in the human ear to a groove feel.  A simpler version of that is AC/DC's Phil Rudd, who also has a great groove feel.  Timing and accentuation of beats (on the hi-hat, each beat isn't hit with the same power, for example) creates drum "feel".  

Neil Peart is often criticized for lacking feel, but if you listen to a track like Alien Shore, you can hear that he's capable of it.

Ok
I'm going to listen to these songs and see if I can hear what the two of you are talking about.

I'll report back,

Edit:  Listened to both and confess I have no idea what you are both talking about.

Edited by Lorraine, 12 February 2019 - 02:46 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 04:18 PM

 Lorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

 goose, on 12 February 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

 Lorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

 theredtamasrule, on 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

 Lorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.
If you have the time, would you listen to Kashmir and point out to me in that song what you are talking about?

What do you mean about hanging back behind the beat?
Think of it this way....  If you wrote out Bohnam's drum parts and had them played back by a drum machine, each beat would be right on time, and it would end up sound stiff and robotic.  Bonham's playing has an ever-so-slight lag to it, which translates in the human ear to a groove feel.  A simpler version of that is AC/DC's Phil Rudd, who also has a great groove feel.  Timing and accentuation of beats (on the hi-hat, each beat isn't hit with the same power, for example) creates drum "feel".  

Neil Peart is often criticized for lacking feel, but if you listen to a track like Alien Shore, you can hear that he's capable of it.

Ok
I'm going to listen to these songs and see if I can hear what the two of you are talking about.

I'll report back,

Edit:  Listened to both and confess I have no idea what you are both talking about.

If you play a metronome to a Zep song you’ll hear bonzo’s snare hit on the back end of the 2 & 4...almost late but not quite and it swings like hell.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 04:20 PM

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 12 February 2019 - 04:18 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 02:33 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 12 February 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 12 February 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 11 February 2019 - 10:45 PM, said:

View PostLorraine, on 11 February 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

What made John Bonham so special as a drummer?

The thing with Bonzo was the way he hung way back behind the beat...this gave Zep such great swing and groove, even in up tempo songs. From a technical aspect he had a thunderous and crazy fast right foot on the bass drum. Bonzo could play a lot of notes, and often did, but knew when NOT to play...Kashmir is the classic example of that.
If you have the time, would you listen to Kashmir and point out to me in that song what you are talking about?

What do you mean about hanging back behind the beat?
Think of it this way....  If you wrote out Bohnam's drum parts and had them played back by a drum machine, each beat would be right on time, and it would end up sound stiff and robotic.  Bonham's playing has an ever-so-slight lag to it, which translates in the human ear to a groove feel.  A simpler version of that is AC/DC's Phil Rudd, who also has a great groove feel.  Timing and accentuation of beats (on the hi-hat, each beat isn't hit with the same power, for example) creates drum "feel".  

Neil Peart is often criticized for lacking feel, but if you listen to a track like Alien Shore, you can hear that he's capable of it.

Ok
I'm going to listen to these songs and see if I can hear what the two of you are talking about.

I'll report back,

Edit:  Listened to both and confess I have no idea what you are both talking about.

If you play a metronome to a Zep song you’ll hear bonzo’s snare hit on the back end of the 2 & 4...almost late but not quite and it swings like hell.

I'll have to take your word for it which I gladly do.  :cool:

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View Postgoose, on 10 February 2019 - 10:52 PM, said:

Stumbled across this on the YouTube.  It's a good watch if you're into drummers, especially from Stew talking about Ringo, John Densmore, Mitch Mitchell...  Start at 23:00, unless you want a history of the trap set.



Stumbled on this myself about a week ago. Love Stewart.  Love hearing him play. Love hearing him speak. He's awesome.




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