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#21 bluefox4000

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM

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View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:20 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

and ya know what that's the thing.....most of these guys are good singers when they go for clean vocals.  i know i must sound old......"these kids and their RAWR RAWR metal"  but yea i appreciate it more......but i still don't really get it......You were singing fine......why would you......never mind, lol

Mick

Edited by bluefox4000, 17 February 2018 - 11:20 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:25 AM

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

and ya know what that's the thing.....most of these guys are good singers when they go for clean vocals.  i know i must sound old......"these kids and their RAWR RAWR metal"  but yea i appreciate it more......but i still don't really get it......You were singing fine......why would you......never mind, lol

Mick

I’ll never know about them being good singers (with those bands specifically) though because the vocalists did their SAME growling for EVERY damn song. :lol:

True though.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:56 AM

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

I can hear the lyrics of most screaming vocalists who are good at it.

You're just a bore again. Whining because someone likes what you don't like.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 12:02 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 17 February 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

I can hear the lyrics of most screaming vocalists who are good at it.

You're just a bore again. Whining because someone likes what you don't like.

i think he was joking but ya never know, lol

Mick

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 12:45 PM

I guess I’m just too old.  The Cookie Monster stuff is garbage IMO.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 12:53 PM

I listen to a lot of metal (as well as a lot of everything else), and I really like a lot of bands with unclean vocals.

This was an acquired taste, but I get the effort involved and I can tell when someone is good at it and when they just do it because they're 'supposed to'.

All of that said, I would prefer that every band sang clean. It doesn't have to be pretty, certainly not operatic. It can be gruff, angry, and still clean. It can be low, deep, and still clean.

Now, occasionally a growl for purpose works, but it works best when it at least has a clean counter point.

Metal 'fans' can say what they want. I listen to the growls and I'm fine with it, but clean- to me at least- is almost always better.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 01:22 PM

A long time ago, I guy I used to work with had a great description of these "dirty" vocals. He went to a concert of some variety and when I saw him the next day and asked him about it, he said the music was good but it sounded like the singer stuck a mic in his mouth and growled. NAILED IT!

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 05:17 PM

The older I get the less I listen to metal. Amon Amarth is pretty much the only metal that has connected with me in the last 10 years.
I'm more of a 'classic' rock + 'old' metal fan - Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Rainbow.
Back in the 90's I also loved Alice in Chains, Type O Negative and Danzig.

With the right music, there's something powerful and primal about a good growl. It just sounds and feels right.
IMO Amon Amarth is currently the best example of such a thing.

Edited by thirteen, 17 February 2018 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 17 February 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

I can hear the lyrics of most screaming vocalists who are good at it.

You're just a bore again. Whining because someone likes what you don't like.

You actually thought I was serious....

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 09:36 PM

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!
“I don’t get it” :lol:

I simply don’t like it. Is that a crime? Apparently, in fraroc LaLa Land it is.

I didn’t like Timberlake’s halftime Super Bowl performance. I got it though.
I don’t like a lot of hip hop and modern country music. I get it though.
I don’t like fried eggs. I get that others love them though.
See how this works?

Also, I already said I’m no Bon Jovi fan. Look, here it is:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 16 February 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

I’m no Bon Jovi fan but I’ll take these vocals over some over the top growling any day.

Hell, I only mentioned Bon Jovi because YOU did in your original post.

Maybe, you don’t get it. That is, you don’t get that it’s possible for others to dislike something because the qualities of that thing don’t appeal to the person.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 09:37 PM

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 17 February 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

I can hear the lyrics of most screaming vocalists who are good at it.

You're just a bore again. Whining because someone likes what you don't like.

You actually thought I was serious....

I thought you were serious (and replied accordingly just a minute ago) because of all the other stuff you cry about.

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 09:49 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 17 February 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 17 February 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 February 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I do prefer clean vocals but i've come to appreciate unclean.  Still and all i can't shake the feeling that it just sounds like i'm being belched at, lol

Mick

I guess everything has its place...and sometimes that place is the garbage! ;)



:lol:

:laughing guy: :laughing guy: :laughing guy:

See that's what i hear most times a long belch.  i know it takes skill.  but sometimes it just sounds silly, lol

Mick

I went to small club last year to see a mix of bands, mostly metal. I had never heard of any of those bands as they were locals in a city I had never been before (Nagoya). I just went because it was a live gig and near my beer site. Anyway, most of the metal bands’ vocals sounded like this:  

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

..with a chorus of:

ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW-ARRAWWRAWWW...

:lol:

Most of those bands would’ve been halfway decent if they didn’t have lead singers. ;)

But you don't get it! If you like to understand what the singer is saying, Then you're a fake metalhead and you like Bon Jovi and Poison!

I can hear the lyrics of most screaming vocalists who are good at it.

You're just a bore again. Whining because someone likes what you don't like.

You actually thought I was serious....

I thought you were serious (and replied accordingly just a minute ago) because of all the other stuff you cry about.

Half what he posts sounds like rejected material for a bad SNL sketch lol

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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:02 PM

i'm glad i read that right.  with Fraroc and his rep it's hard to really tell.  his so Over the top most times, lol

So yes fraroc if you'd cool it now and then people wouldn't "actually think your serious"

Mick

Edited by bluefox4000, 17 February 2018 - 11:03 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2018 - 11:05 PM

View Postbluefox4000, on 17 February 2018 - 11:02 PM, said:

i'm glad i read that right.  with Fraroc and his rep it's hard to really tell.  his so Over the top most times, lol

So yes fraroc if you'd cool it now and then people wouldn't "actually think your serious"

Mick

You’re at an advantage because you’re “clever as a bluefox” :P

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Posted 18 February 2018 - 05:49 PM

I just found a clip of Faroc 'singing' on YouTube :P

https://www.youtube....h?v=nAwSBYZzbww

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He’s so damn awesome live!
The part during his gigs where he holds a cookie and a glass of milk is so insane and dark!




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