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#21 stoopid

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:50 PM

View Post1-0-0-1-0-0-1, on 04 February 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

And just so you know, as far as guitar goes, MIDI is just a way to control different effects units. It doesn't make any sounds by itself. So this titanium guitar isn't more MIDI-friendly than any other type of guitar.

I don't think this can be stressed enough.  It's nice they built-in the interface, but that alone isn't anything special.  Any decent local guitar shop can install it into any traditional guitar as well.

Godin makes a bunch of good guitars with midi built-in.

I'd also say that the overall idea of the gittler is 99% hype, 1% evolutionary necessity for the instrument.  It's intended to be gimmicky, its primary reason to exist started as art after all.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:59 PM

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.

How much traditionalist is too traditionalist?

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:37 PM

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.

The Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster were invented in the 1950s, and those original designs are still being used on those guitars today. There's a reason for that. When you get it right, there's no reason to mess with it. Being a traditionalist is not a bad thing.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:31 PM

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.
are you going to dog keyboardists as well because keyboard keys have been the same pattern for the past 500 years or so?

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:58 PM

Here's why I would have no interest:

Much of my personal attack and style playing is helped by leverage and balance, and how I hold the guitar ..

I am most comfortable with a Les Paul or a V .. and I do most of my practicing sitting down, with the guitar more vertical, so leverage is very important .. I dig in hard, as early in when I first began, I allowed the guitar to play me, instead of me playing the guitar .... switching positions helped me tremendously

You can see during certain moments in their songs, guys like EVH, Slash and Michael Schenker hold the guitar in a different position for leverage, as this helps with the way they attack it .. Schenker actually would get the V between his legs ... Not all of this is for looking cool - it actually provides leverage is a big part of the style of playing ..

There is no possibility for that with this Gittler guitar .....  I just cannot imagine digging in to that thing

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 05:15 PM

Butting the guitar up against your body helps a lot

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 05:48 PM

View Post1-0-0-1-0-0-1, on 05 February 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.

The Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster were invented in the 1950s, and those original designs are still being used on those guitars today. There's a reason for that. When you get it right, there's no reason to mess with it. Being a traditionalist is not a bad thing.

Right, and I don't think there's any of us here who would turn our nose up at innovation if the end result was a marked improvement in tone and/or playability, but that doesn't seem to be the case here -- this guitar is mostly about a particular aesthetic that fraroc likes.

Edited by JARG, 05 February 2018 - 05:48 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 05:59 PM

View PostJARG, on 05 February 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

View Post1-0-0-1-0-0-1, on 05 February 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.

The Fender Stratocaster and Telecaster were invented in the 1950s, and those original designs are still being used on those guitars today. There's a reason for that. When you get it right, there's no reason to mess with it. Being a traditionalist is not a bad thing.

Right, and I don't think there's any of us here who would turn our nose up at innovation if the end result was a marked improvement in tone and/or playability, but that doesn't seem to be the case here -- this guitar is mostly about a particular aesthetic that fraroc likes.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with innovation, or trying to improve on a tried-and-true standard. But in the case of guitars, there just isn't much room for improvement. Leo Fender and Les Paul already got it right. Modern things like locking tuners, better trem bridges, new pickup designs -- all good stuff, but they're nothing drastic when compared to the original designs. Robot tuners, built-in distortion circuits or MIDI interfaces, space-age designs like the Gittler, they're more gimmicky and aren't going to be standard on guitars fifty years from now.

None of us have a problem with fraroc liking the Gittler. If that's the guitar for him, then cool. I can certainly appreciate the concept of its minimalist non-traditional design, if only from a novelty standpoint. But to badmouth traditional instruments and the people who like them doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 04:14 AM

View Postfraroc, on 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

All you guys are doing are reinforcing my point about guitarists being too traditionalist.

I'm certainly not......leave aside it's looks which I don't personally care for.

If this thing had the greatest tone since sliced bread, then I could understand wanting one...however there is no evidence in the video to suggest that it does...the fact that this was a sales video which clearly avoids a vital aspect of the instrument makes me think it may not be special in that department and it is purely about cosmetics.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:26 AM

to provide another analogy...you could have the most attractive woman in bed with you, but if she's as enthusiastic as a dead fish, it doesn't matter.

someday, i might be able to be faced with this dilemma

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:32 AM

View PostHemiBeers, on 06 February 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

to provide another analogy...you could have the most attractive woman in bed with you, but if she's as enthusiastic as a dead fish, it doesn't matter.

someday, i might be able to be faced with this dilemma

Dead fish are pretty easy to obtain, man.

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:00 AM

View Postthirteen, on 05 February 2018 - 05:33 AM, said:

Not my cup of tea tbh, but here is someone actually playing one:

https://www.youtube....h?v=VRzVq6My8fw
Sounds great at 1:25!

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 05:37 PM

View Postgoose, on 07 February 2018 - 06:00 AM, said:

View Postthirteen, on 05 February 2018 - 05:33 AM, said:

Not my cup of tea tbh, but here is someone actually playing one:

https://www.youtube....h?v=VRzVq6My8fw
Sounds great at 1:25!

I suppose I'd be considered a 'traditionalist'. I play a Squier Vintage modified 70's strat through a Fender 68 custom deluxe reverb.

Now, regarding the Gittler guitar - lower the asking price (by several thousand dollars) and make it a double neck (12 string top, 6 string lower) as I doubt the second neck would add much weight.

If I was in the market for a small guitar with no head stock I'd buy a Lazer. Good enough for Johnny Winter.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:13 PM

It just doesn't seem to bring anything to the table for the extra cost.

At my gig this weekend one of the guitarists brought a MIM P-Bass with passive EMG pickups and asked me to try it out for a song or two to see if it was worth the $300 got it for. The thing played and sounded perfect, so I used it for the whole gig. It made me realize that the only difference between a good $300 bass and a $6000 "designer" bass was ego.




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