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#21 fraroc

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:34 PM

I guess I just don't like 70s guitar solos that much because I'm not a fan of blues. Blues in the 70s to me, was extremely cookie cutter and repetitive. So many songs sounded exactly the same melody-wise and might only have a few differences in lyrics.

Of course there are going to be several outliers, like Alex Lifeson, Richie Blackmore, Jimmy Page etc....But for me, it wasn't until EVH came along that guitar solos got revolutionized. He's the one that paved the way and made 80s lead guitar what it was.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:38 PM

I would say the 70s have more breadth of styles.  Iommi isn't like Page.  Page isn't like Blackmore.  Blackmore isn't like Lifeson.  Lifeson isn't like Michael Schenker.  And on and on.

The 80s are pretty much Van Halen and his imitators with the exception of Vaughn.  Even Rhodes, who I love, was very similar to Van Halen stylistically (IMO).  But Van Halen remains my favorite guitarist of all time so . . .

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

View PostRick N. Backer, on 30 January 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

I would say the 70s have more breadth of styles.  Iommi isn't like Page.  Page isn't like Blackmore.  Blackmore isn't like Lifeson.  Lifeson isn't like Michael Schenker.  And on and on.

The 80s are pretty much Van Halen and his imitators with the exception of Vaughn.  Even Rhodes, who I love, was very similar to Van Halen stylistically (IMO).  But Van Halen remains my favorite guitarist of all time so . . .

Yep.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 04:53 PM

Fraroc's been outvoted.

off the island, lol

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:55 PM

You know who doesn't get enough credit. Tom Scholz.  Incredible work in Boston.

Change this to 70's guitarists rule, Fraroc.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:18 PM

70's for sure.

David Gilmour
Steve Howe
Steve Hackett
Alex Lifeson
Joe Perry
Mick Taylor
Eddie Van Halen
Martin Barre
Eric Clapton
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Tony Iommi


For the most part the 80's guitarist and solos were all about speed.  No soul, all about showmanship and totally boring. :finbar:

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:21 PM

View Postcustom55, on 30 January 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

70's for sure.

David Gilmour
Steve Howe
Steve Hackett
Alex Lifeson
Joe Perry
Mick Taylor
Eddie Van Halen
Martin Barre
Eric Clapton
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Tony Iommi


For the most part the 80's guitarist and solos were all about speed.  No soul, all about showmanship and totally boring. :finbar:

now you say that it is true.

and don't get me wrong it's impressive at first.  then it's like......next, lol

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:25 PM

Seems like the 80's were like rush.  Keys at times over guitars. Still some killer playing in the 80's to say the least .

But when you think of killer solos and overplayed tunes its the 70's.

Freebird

Stairway to heaven

Hotel california

Etc etc

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 08:55 PM

Also, if you want to make the case for the 80s, the Yngwei Malmsteems of the world are not your best argument. Some more persuasive examples include:

Stevie Ray Vaughn
Dave Mustaine/Chris Poland
the dudes in Maiden (though they can get boring too often)
KK and Glen (though some of their best stuff was in the 70s)
Slash
Richie Sambora (look, he's hair metal but some of his solos are actually iconic, much as Bon Jovi are rightly looked a little down on, the guy could really play with feeling)
Mark Knopfler (though he started in the 70s didn't he?)

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:05 PM

View Postbluefox4000, on 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

Mick

Well, I suppose we can't just blame VH...but like...Eddie was the sole reason anyone and everyone started finger tapping all the time in the 80s, and that did lead to a good bit of the soullessness of so much hair metal.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:26 PM

Van Halen, Rhoads and George Lynch are all 80s guitarists.  All amazing.  I’ll throw another guy in there who’s been mentioned a lot this week:  Prince Rogers Nelson.

The decades are very different.  They both have elements to love.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:39 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

Mick

Well, I suppose we can't just blame VH...but like...Eddie was the sole reason anyone and everyone started finger tapping all the time in the 80s, and that did lead to a good bit of the soullessness of so much hair metal.

This isn’t contrary to what you’re saying about finger tapping. It’s just an old 60s clip...



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:46 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

Mick

Well, I suppose we can't just blame VH...but like...Eddie was the sole reason anyone and everyone started finger tapping all the time in the 80s, and that did lead to a good bit of the soullessness of so much hair metal.

This isn’t contrary to what you’re saying about finger tapping. It’s just an old 60s clip...



Lol, yeah I've seen that. Also Steve Hackett likes to claim he invented it with Genesis on The Giant Hogweed. I don't think anyone invented it, EVH just used it in a way no one had thought of before and made it really popular.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 10:17 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

Also, if you want to make the case for the 80s, the Yngwei Malmsteems of the world are not your best argument. Some more persuasive examples include:

Stevie Ray Vaughn
Dave Mustaine/Chris Poland
the dudes in Maiden (though they can get boring too often)
KK and Glen (though some of their best stuff was in the 70s)
Slash
Richie Sambora (look, he's hair metal but some of his solos are actually iconic, much as Bon Jovi are rightly looked a little down on, the guy could really play with feeling)
Mark Knopfler (though he started in the 70s didn't he?)

Yes Dire Straits first album was 77 or 78 i believe.

And i'll admit.......i LOVE Sambora.  he can play and he can sing his face off.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:52 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

Mick

Well, I suppose we can't just blame VH...but like...Eddie was the sole reason anyone and everyone started finger tapping all the time in the 80s, and that did lead to a good bit of the soullessness of so much hair metal.

At least two handed tapping, sweep picking, alternate picking and pinch harmonics were things that were developed in the 80s that were drastically different and impressive during that time period.

In the 70s, the framework for guitar solos barely changed. And they became boring, pedestrian, and horrifically repetitive. Same old blues scales, same old tencniques, same old bullshit.  In 1978, EVH changed all of that with Eruption.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:05 AM

View Postfraroc, on 30 January 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 30 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 30 January 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 30 January 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

80s Malmsteen was so talented and yet so boring to me.

And reading bluefox’s above post, yeah I’d take Tom Scholz over Malmsteen in a second.

Scholz vs. EVH is a much more interesting question. Boston spawned AOR, VH spawned hair metal.

That's a tough one.

Scholz for me.

if Eddie spawned hair metal i'd love to slap him.

like....REALLY BADLY., lol

Mick

Well, I suppose we can't just blame VH...but like...Eddie was the sole reason anyone and everyone started finger tapping all the time in the 80s, and that did lead to a good bit of the soullessness of so much hair metal.

At least two handed tapping, sweep picking, alternate picking and pinch harmonics were things that were developed in the 80s that were drastically different and impressive during that time period.

In the 70s, the framework for guitar solos barely changed. And they became boring, pedestrian, and horrifically repetitive. Same old blues scales, same old tencniques, same old bullshit.  In 1978, EVH changed all of that with Eruption.

Unable to agree.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:21 AM

View Postfraroc, on 30 January 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:


At least two handed tapping, sweep picking, alternate picking and pinch harmonics were things that were developed in the 80s that were drastically different and impressive during that time period.

Those are all technical terms that have nothing to do with the musicality of what's being played. To a guitarist, they are mere techniques, potentially impressive ones, and that's the most those words should ever mean to anyone. If you can do those things, I am impressed, but it doesn't at all mean I love you. James Taylor I doubt can do any of those things and I love his guitar work much more than that of Mick Mars, the guy in Def Leppard, or really any of the hair metal guitarists. Those soft melodies and soothing chords and accompanying harmonies vastly outweigh the work of someone who dedicates their skill and talent to learning impressive technique rather than playing great music.

I'm gonna brag here and say people have been impressed by my acoustic playing and singing on some occasions and have complimented me. Now I'm gonna be honest and say I know maybe half a dozen chord structures, maybe a few dozen songs, maybe a dozen or so more bits of songs and riffs, can't cleanly play a guitar solo for my life, strum much harder than what seems to be the recommended standard, rarely play through a few songs without screwing something up in at least one of them, can't use any of the techniques you listed above, can barely play a couple scales cleanly, and only know one very pedestrian way to play a blues (just a power chord where the top note moves up a whole step). Obviously, I'm not a technically skilled guitarist in pretty much any sense, but also obviously (gonna brag again) I can impress and move people with my playing (and singing). I feel like that's much more important than knowing how to sweep.

View Postfraroc, on 30 January 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

In the 70s, the framework for guitar solos barely changed. And they became boring, pedestrian, and horrifically repetitive. Same old blues scales, same old tencniques, same old bullshit.  In 1978, EVH changed all of that with Eruption.

EVH did change the way people approached guitar with Eruption, otherwise, to quote Luke Skywalker "every word you just said was wrong."




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