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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:38 PM

Never been a fan of this album at all.  and trust me i've tried. and tried.  AND TRIED.

Production is pretty dull......but to me it comes down to the songs.

I like about 2.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 04:56 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 23 January 2018 - 04:34 PM, said:

There are five common opinions about certain Rush albums' production (probably more than five, but I've heard these many times):

- Signals buries the guitars in the mix
- Grace Under Pressure is a "dark" or "dull" sounding album
- Presto is a "thin" sounding album with very little bottom end
- Vapor Trails is a sonic mess full of digital distortion
- Clockwork Angels is also a sonic mess, too saturated or "brickwalled"

I would add that ESL sounds like it's wrapped in gauze and if that is conventional thought, I think there is truth in everyone of those points - exception for me being that I never thought of P/G as dark or dull but as flat. Still, I love that record worst band photo to be included on the record packaging though which is a bit ironic since the photographer was a legendary portrait photographer with impressive pics in his portfolio - but that picture on the back of the record ugh! The worst.

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 05:12 PM

One of the best albums ever

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 01:52 PM

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View PostNew Digital Man, on 23 January 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I'd like to see Sting try and play any of Geddys bass lines, like Roger Waters he has a bass player at most of his gigs and often on his albums!
Don't understimate Sting,although i think he is a bit of t**t,he is a brilliant bassist.And Geddy's jealous of him as he once said about him"How he can sing,play bass and dance  in three different time signatures !".And Ged can't dance,he just jumps about.
I don't underestimate Sting but he's far from a brilliant bassist or instrumentalist, he's a reasonable all rounder as a musician with a mediocre yet recognisable voice however he does have a talent for writing and producing good tunes! He tends to use Nathan East I think as his bass player!

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 01:56 PM

View PostNew Digital Man, on 24 January 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

View Postgrasbo, on 23 January 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

View PostNew Digital Man, on 23 January 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I'd like to see Sting try and play any of Geddys bass lines, like Roger Waters he has a bass player at most of his gigs and often on his albums!
Don't understimate Sting,although i think he is a bit of t**t,he is a brilliant bassist.And Geddy's jealous of him as he once said about him"How he can sing,play bass and dance  in three different time signatures !".And Ged can't dance,he just jumps about.
I don't underestimate Sting but he's far from a brilliant bassist or instrumentalist, he's a reasonable all rounder as a musician with a mediocre yet recognisable voice however he does have a talent for writing and producing good tunes! He tends to use Nathan East I think as his bass player!

And Nathan East is a great player to use.  Yea i always thought was overrated in about every aspect.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 02:32 PM

With Sting let me put it this way.While not having the chops of Ged or Nathan he is not that far behind,its just that his playing is subtle and just right for the music.If i recall the reason he bought in Nathan East was to get a different style and sound,just like you might bring in Clapton for one session and van Halen for another.Having said that i am no great fan of Stings music but i respect him as a bass player.Anyway just listening to Grace now.Brilliant.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 03:21 PM

It was the first album I bought by the band and didn't love it the first time I heard it.  Over time, it grew on me.  But it's not on par with it's three immediate predecessors.  It is better than anything that came after it until either CA or maybe S&A (which I personally love).

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 04:35 PM

View Postgrasbo, on 24 January 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

With Sting let me put it this way.While not having the chops of Ged or Nathan he is not that far behind,its just that his playing is subtle and just right for the music.If i recall the reason he bought in Nathan East was to get a different style and sound,just like you might bring in Clapton for one session and van Halen for another.Having said that i am no great fan of Stings music but i respect him as a bass player.Anyway just listening to Grace now.Brilliant.
With respect if you think that Stings chops on bass are not far behind Geddys or Nathan East i'm afraid you're very disillusioned, they're on a different level entirely, sorry that's a ridiculous statement!

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 07:29 PM

Grace Under Pressure is an outstanding album...the whole thing from start to finish.  Unique sound that instantly identifiable w/ just a few notes.   I loved it from the start.  And hearing anything off that album played live is immediately nostalgic for me...takes me back.  The triptych of The Enemy Within, The Body Electric and Kid Gloves cinches it.  It's one of those song sequences that sometime prompts me to repeat listening.    Nothing I don't love about this album.

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 08:45 PM

Burned through multiple cassette tapes when this came out.  Autoreverse was the best invention!  I just let it play and play and play...

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 03:04 AM

View PostNew Digital Man, on 24 January 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

View Postgrasbo, on 24 January 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

With Sting let me put it this way.While not having the chops of Ged or Nathan he is not that far behind,its just that his playing is subtle and just right for the music.If i recall the reason he bought in Nathan East was to get a different style and sound,just like you might bring in Clapton for one session and van Halen for another.Having said that i am no great fan of Stings music but i respect him as a bass player.Anyway just listening to Grace now.Brilliant.
With respect if you think that Stings chops on bass are not far behind Geddys or Nathan East i'm afraid you're very disillusioned, they're on a different level entirely, sorry that's a ridiculous statement!                                                              Well i am a bassist /guitarist playing over 40 years so i know a little.Did i say Stings playing is subtle?Sure he has never done a YYZ.Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he 's a not much chop.He is certainly more than average.As i said i don't have much time for his music but a certain band who had a song called Digital Man were very influenced by a certain band who had a hit with Walking on the Moon.Just my humble opinion

Edited by grasbo, 25 January 2018 - 03:08 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 03:07 AM

Don't know how my quote got mixed up inthe previous post.Anyway Geddy rules,Stings ok and Primus(Les) sucks. :geddy:

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 02:26 PM

View PostWil1972, on 21 January 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

A good solid album with crap production. Those songs come alive and sparkle onstage. But the record is drab and flat. The Enemy Within, Distant Early Warning, Kid Gloves and Red Lenses are great. Red Sector A is good too. The only stinker is Between the Wheels. I know everyone around here loves that one but it never clicked with me.

I always thought the album sounded "grey" (which is probably my way of saying "drab and flat").

I think the stinker track is "The Body Electric".

I didn't appreciate "Between the Wheels" that much until I heard a live version and thought: "wow, that's some pretty intense emotionally gut-wrenching guitar playing".

This album just has that early '80s "cold war" vibe to it.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:18 PM

It sounds frosty-blue to me.

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:25 AM

My first album from Rush and an all-time favorite.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:25 PM

Give that it's the album with my name sake on it, I tend to agree. Guess it must've been something that I read...

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 08:24 PM

Totally agree that its a great album.  If anything, its really grown on me through the years.  I have gotten to like it more and more as the years have gone by.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 05:34 AM

with all the awesome metal that came out that year this album for me was a big letdown but i happen to love his tremelo work on this one the most it's a big influence. i still can't get over how this guy reinvents himself: how does he come up with these chords?!? so much respect for alex lifeson

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 05:35 AM

plus i always wonder what the album would have sounded like if it were produced by the guy who left them hanging. my guess is that it wouldn't be as good but you never know

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 05:52 AM

View Postdaveyt, on 04 February 2018 - 05:35 AM, said:

plus i always wonder what the album would have sounded like if it were produced by the guy who left them hanging. my guess is that it wouldn't be as good but you never know

I think that'd've been Steve Lillywhite, who I can imagine they were looking to for, amongst much previous, his most recent work on U2's War album, from which, it only occurs to me just this moment, there's a track with a similar rhythmic structure to "Red Sector A".

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