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#1 toymaker

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 01:54 AM

I'm not sure if this can be done.  I'm not a huge fan of these records:  Presto, Roll the Bones, and Test for Echo.  There are a couple other albums that I'm not wild about, either, but these three . . . man.

Let's say you can take the best of each and make one good Rush album.  45-50 minutes.  Let's say 8-9 songs.  What track order?  I'm talking about a really strong, rocking (or at least well-crafted), organic sounding album.  Nothing too poppy or wimpy . . . It ain't going to be Permanent Waves, but what's the very best Rush album we could make with this stuff?

Show Don't Tell   Dreamline    Test for Echo
Chain Lightning   Bravado   Driven
The Pass Roll the Bones Half the World
War Paint    Face Up    The Color of Right
Scars   Where's My Thing Time and Motion
Presto The Big Wheel   Totem
Superconductor Heresy   Dog Years
Anagram Ghost of a Chance   Virtuality
Red Tide Neurotica Resist
Hand Over Fist You Bet Your Life Limbo
Available Light Carve Away the Stone

Edited by toymaker, 17 January 2018 - 01:56 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:10 AM

Dreamline
Driven
Ghost of a Chance
Bravado

Show Don't Tell
The Color of Right
Where's My Thing
Red Tide

Not sure about The Pass and Time and Motion . . .

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:22 AM

Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test.

1. Dreamline
2. Driven
3. Time and Motion
4. The Main Monkey Business
5. The Way the Wind Blows
6. Malignant Narcissism
7. Bravado
8. Test for Echo
9. Where’s My Thing

The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine.

Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.
Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.
I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.
The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works.

Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose.

This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :)

Cool exercise.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:23 AM

View Posttoymaker, on 17 January 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

Dreamline
Driven
Ghost of a Chance
Bravado

Show Don't Tell
The Color of Right
Where's My Thing
Red Tide

Not sure about The Pass and Time and Motion . . .

Hey, your first two are the same as mine! :cheers:

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:34 AM

Driven
Bravado
Roll the Bones
Available Light

Dreamline
The Pass
Chain Lightning
Ghost of a Chance
Test for Echo

Thought about it like album sides. Each side gets a heavier TFE song and I mixed the slower songs in so it doesn't drag. TFE as the last track might seem odd, but I don't like when albums end with slow songs.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:01 AM

I would take some songs from these 3 (for me weak) Rush albums: Roll the Bones, Test for Echo and Vapor Trails.

Bravado
Dreamline
Ghost of a Chance
Driven

Test for Echo
Ghost Rider
Earthshine
Secret Touch

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:17 AM

View PostStormtron, on 17 January 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

Driven
Bravado
Roll the Bones
Available Light

Dreamline
The Pass
Chain Lightning
Ghost of a Chance
Test for Echo

Thought about it like album sides. Each side gets a heavier TFE song and I mixed the slower songs in so it doesn't drag. TFE as the last track might seem odd, but I don't like when albums end with slow songs.

Dig it, but I could never warm up to Chain Lightning

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:17 AM

View PostTexas King, on 17 January 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

I would take some songs from these 3 (for me weak) Rush albums: Roll the Bones, Test for Echo and Vapor Trails.

Bravado
Dreamline
Ghost of a Chance
Driven

Test for Echo
Ghost Rider
Earthshine
Secret Touch

I'd have to have Ceiling Unlimited in there.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 03:11 PM

This is like the question of 'tell me 3 redeeming things about your adversary'.

Sorry, but shit is shit. even if it's less smelly, it's still shit.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 03:31 PM

I think every album has a couple of things that are worthwhile.  Dreamline is a great song, and so is Driven.  Even if they're not the greatest Rush tunes, I'm just interested in seeing what people think the "best possible" album would be if we mined from the three albums.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

Okay, my least favorite are Caress of Steel, Test for Echo, and the debut.  This shouldn’t be too hard.

SIDE ONE

Bastille Day
Driven
In the Mood
Resist
Lakeside Park

SIDE TWO

Finding My Way
Test for Exho
What You’re Doing
Working Man

Well, it’s not an album I’d listen to often, but I guess it’s not that bad.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:33 PM

Show Don't Tell - 5:00              
Ghost of a Chance - 5:19
Time and Motion - 5:56
The Pass - 4:51
Driven - 4:27            
Presto - 5:46
T4E - 5:55                          
Dreamline - 4:36

I think that's a pretty respectable mix of songs...I'd buy that album. A hair over 41 minutes.

Edited by theredtamasrule, 17 January 2018 - 04:42 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:47 PM

My bottom three are Power Windows, Presto and RTB (for some reason I dislike HYF less; it is a puzzlement to me). My least "unfavorites" (1984 speak) tacks from each... Actually, listening to the virtual album on You Tube, I think it's pretty good; I'm pleasantly surprised; gave me a better appreciation of these tracks. I had to add a 10th track -- Grand Designs -- to even out the sides time-wise.

Side 1 (running time 25:40)
Dreamline
Bravado
The Pass
Middletown Dreams
Marathon

Side 2 (running time 26:53)
Grand Designs
War Paint
Ghost of a Chance
Mystic Rhythms
Available Light

Edited by Rutlefan, 17 January 2018 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:35 PM

Here's my 3 bad albums HYF, Presto & RTB's

Dreamline
Turn The Page
The Pass
Show Don't Tell
Ghost of a Chance

Force Ten
The Pass
Bravado
Where's My Thing
Available Light



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:10 PM

My bottom three are RTB, CP, and FBN, so...

Side 1: 24.9 minutes

Anthem
Fly By Night
Cut To The Chase
Roll The Bones
Where's My Thing?
Beneath Between and Behind

Side 2: 23 minutes

Dreamline
Nobody's Hero
Double Agent
By-Tor And The Snowdog

About 48 minutes, a little long for the LP era standards, but perfect length by today's standards. 10 songs too, perfectly digestible amount.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:34 PM

Shitty albums include:   Presto, Snakes, and probably RTB

Here's the playlist

side 1

Dreamline
Far Cry
Roll the Bones
Malignant Narcissism
Dreamline (live)

Far Cry (live)
Show Don't Tell
The Main Monkey Business
Interlude by special guest Monty Python--The Sound of John Denver being Strangled
Dreamline (extended dance version)

I wouldn't buy it.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:39 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 January 2018 - 02:22 AM, said:

Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test.

1. Dreamline
2. Driven
3. Time and Motion
4. The Main Monkey Business
5. The Way the Wind Blows
6. Malignant Narcissism
7. Bravado
8. Test for Echo
9. Where’s My Thing

The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine.

Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.
Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.
I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.
The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works.

Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose.

This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :)

Cool exercise.

It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them!

Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:44 AM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 18 January 2018 - 12:39 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 January 2018 - 02:22 AM, said:

Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test.

1. Dreamline
2. Driven
3. Time and Motion
4. The Main Monkey Business
5. The Way the Wind Blows
6. Malignant Narcissism
7. Bravado
8. Test for Echo
9. Where’s My Thing

The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine.

Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.
Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.
I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.
The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works.

Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose.

This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :)

Cool exercise.

It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them!

Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order.
:goodone:

I've posted several times regarding track order, specifically in reference to Clockwork Angels.  A re-ordering, with a bit of trimming, made it a great album for me.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:02 AM

View Postgoose, on 18 January 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 18 January 2018 - 12:39 AM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 January 2018 - 02:22 AM, said:

Okay, I’ll go with my 3 least favorite Rush albums: Snakes, Bones, and Test.

1. Dreamline
2. Driven
3. Time and Motion
4. The Main Monkey Business
5. The Way the Wind Blows
6. Malignant Narcissism
7. Bravado
8. Test for Echo
9. Where’s My Thing

The order is tougher than choosing which 3 from each. I even tested what it sounded like transitioning from T&M to Monkey. And I think it flows just fine.

Dreamline opening and Where’s My Thing closing were givens.
Driven following up Dreamline seemed appropriate.
I also didn’t want back to back instrumentals so there’s that.
The couple minutes of Malnar hyperactivity is tempered by the 4.5 minute thoughtfulness of Bravado which follows. I tested that too and it works.

Mainly though, the Snakes’ (my least favorite Rush album) tracks weren’t easy to fit with the other songs I chose.

This is probably as good as I can get. And it’s good! :)

Cool exercise.

It's all about the order. One thing a few of Rush's albums could learn a lesson or two about it flow. Of course, I've heard many worse cases of bad flow from other bands, but it ain't easy! Openers should set the tone for the general idea of what's to come, and often they want to get your blood pumping too. Closers should have some sense of finality about them, if not a bit of drama to close things off, and tracks need to compliment each other with grace so every transition feels intentional and highlights the two songs forming it nicely. These are of course just guidelines more than rules, as many a great album has been made by breaking a few of them (or a lot of them), but it's best to learn them and use them before you go around toying with them or ignoring them!

Sorry for the rambling, I wholeheartedly agree with you about the order.
:goodone:

I've posted several times regarding track order, specifically in reference to Clockwork Angels.  A re-ordering, with a bit of trimming, made it a great album for me.

With Clockwork, I’d trim that down to seven songs. The other five tracks I don’t care about. There’s nothing I dislike on it though (like some stuff I feel negatively about on Snakes and Bones).

But yeah, if I were to put those seven CA tracks into an order I like, it’d take a bit more consideration.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 01:18 PM

I was thinking that another possible thread might be "The ultimate Rush proto-prog metal compilation" - what tracks would you include?  You are allowed to take sections of side long tunes like 2112, Necromancer, etc.  What's the heaviest album you could compile?




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