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#21 toymaker

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:02 PM

I guess if you're a light side force person, you can come back as a sort of guardian angel.  If you're dark side, you just go away.  To hell or purgatory or whatever.  Unless like Vader you are redeemed.  It would be pretty wild to see the emperor come back as some kind of bad-ass spectral character, all banshee-like and screaming.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostWil1972, on 15 January 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Puppet bands

Naboo

Clones

Flying space princesses

Angsty Jedi masters

Milking animals

f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones.  I'm okay with the last three, though.

Leia in space:  it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here.  The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after all
Luke as "angsty":  kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepers
Milking animals:  I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer

Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however.

Valid arguments. But I still have issues with Leia Poppins.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:24 PM

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:01 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

If you're dark side, you just go away.  To hell or purgatory or whatever.  

That's how I interpreted the fate of anyone who stayed on the Dark Side.  You're condemning yourself to oblivion, a bottomless pit of darkness and misery.

Luke said to Vader, "I can feel the good in you. The Emperor hasn't driven it from you fully."   This suggests a real "point of no return" for one who turns Dark.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:39 PM

Any Star Wars content not produced in the 70s or 80s.....

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:43 PM

View PostFridge, on 15 January 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

Any Star Wars content not produced in the 70s or 80s.....
....so coinciding with Rush's peak?

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:47 PM

Star Wars = 2112
Empire = Hemispheres
Return = Signals ?

Phantom Menace = Hold Your Fire
Clones = Presto
Sith = Roll the Bones . . . ?

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:53 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

Star Wars = 2112
Empire = Hemispheres
Return = Signals ?

Phantom Menace = Hold Your Fire
Clones = Presto
Sith = Roll the Bones . . . ?
sure we'll go with that...but I'm the worst source for Star Wars comparisons.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 02:16 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostWil1972, on 15 January 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Puppet bands

Naboo

Clones

Flying space princesses

Angsty Jedi masters

Milking animals

f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones.  I'm okay with the last three, though.

Leia in space:  it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here.  The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after all
Luke as "angsty":  kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepers
Milking animals:  I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer

Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however.

no comments here about Star Wars, just thought I'd point out how kick ass it is to see Toymaker swearing


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 02:17 PM

View PostLucas, on 15 January 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostWil1972, on 15 January 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Puppet bands

Naboo

Clones

Flying space princesses

Angsty Jedi masters

Milking animals

f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones.  I'm okay with the last three, though.

Leia in space:  it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here.  The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after all
Luke as "angsty":  kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepers
Milking animals:  I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer

Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however.

no comments here about Star Wars, just thought I'd point out how kick ass it is to see Toymaker swearing


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:00 PM

People whining about how much they hate sand.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:45 PM

Bombing a spaceship.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:48 PM

View PostWil1972, on 15 January 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

View PostWil1972, on 15 January 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Puppet bands

Naboo

Clones

Flying space princesses

Angsty Jedi masters

Milking animals

f**k, yeah, I forgot about the goddamned clones.  I'm okay with the last three, though.

Leia in space:  it didn't bug me much in Guardians of the Galaxy, so it doesn't really bug me here.  The force is this galaxy's version of "magic," after all
Luke as "angsty":  kind of a cool character development I didn't really see coming, plus Hamill played it really well - he's frickin' great at showing emotion with his peepers
Milking animals:  I saw it as Luke making a deliberate effort to gross out Rey and make her go away - even dribbling milk down into his beard and giving her that sort of drunken leer

Having said all that, I'm fine with not seeing those scenes repeated, however.

Valid arguments. But I still have issues with Leia Poppins.
It looked cheesy.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:11 PM

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View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Further expansion of the power to use the Force.  Enough already.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;)

But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy?  Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers?  To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.
I didn't want that at all.  For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid.  With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb.  With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam.  Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:03 PM

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 15 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Further expansion of the power to use the Force.  Enough already.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;)

But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy?  Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers?  To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.

I didn't want that at all.  For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid.  With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb.  With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam.  Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.

I can understand that.  Too much can be a bad thing.  I can also see the "too little" flip side to the issue.  If the original trilogy just featured those little tidbits of moving rocks and equipment and the occasional mind trick, then I think it may have left audiences unfulfilled.  When we first saw Palpatine use his immense powers, it was truly something.  It was a great way to take the power of the Force up a level.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:24 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 15 January 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

Star Wars = 2112
Empire = Hemispheres
Return = Signals ?

Phantom Menace = Hold Your Fire
Clones = Presto
Sith = Roll the Bones . . . ?

I’ll go this way...

((Interpret this as you may))

Star Wars : Anthem
Empire : Xanadu
Return/Jedi : Distant Early Warning

Phantom Menace : You Bet Your Life
Clones : Face Up
Sith : Neurotica

Force Awakens : The Seeker
Rogue One : Headlong Flight
Last Jedi : BU2B2


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:39 PM

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 15 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Further expansion of the power to use the Force.  Enough already.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;)

But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy?  Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers?  To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.
I didn't want that at all.  For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid.  With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb.  With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam.  Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.
Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:45 PM

View Postworkingcinderellaman, on 15 January 2018 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 15 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Further expansion of the power to use the Force.  Enough already.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;)

But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy?  Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers?  To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.
I didn't want that at all.  For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid.  With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb.  With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam.  Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.
Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting.

Good point.  Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting.  

It’s similar to the Green Lanterns.  Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 07:07 PM

View PostPrincipled Man, on 15 January 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

View Postworkingcinderellaman, on 15 January 2018 - 06:39 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

View PostPrincipled Man, on 15 January 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

View Postgoose, on 15 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Further expansion of the power to use the Force.  Enough already.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..... ;)

But seriously, isn't that what many of us wanted to see in the new Trilogy?  Luke Skywalker becoming a super-great Jedi Master, who would blow us away with near god-like powers?  To be honest, he did become like that, but not in the way that we expected.
I didn't want that at all.  For me there's a fine line between fantasy and just plain stupid.  With Tolkein, for example, the repeated rescue by eagle thing is just dumb.  With Star Wars, it seems the Force is used the same way to get the writers out of a jam.  Once it's introduced, a jedi's limitless Force power begs all kinds of questions around its selective use and curious absence in certain situations.
Which is also the problem with a lot of superhero stories. All superpowers need to be limited, otherwise, there is no conflict and no great story. Superman needs to have kryptonite. I think the main antagonist of the force is doubt. Luke has plenty of doubt in The Last Jedi which is what makes that part of the story interesting.

Good point.  Luke was full of doubt when first met Yoda, and he was again full of doubt in their last meeting.  

It’s similar to the Green Lanterns.  Their rings are only as powerful as the minds that control them.

My problem with Superman 1 & 2 is that they were pulling powers out of their ass that never existed (spinning around earth to move back time, magic kiss to erase memory, etc.). To me, the Leia Poppins scene is similar.

Thor shooting lightning bolts from his hammer isn’t in that group as it was already a well established ability.
Rocket Raccoon being smart and talking isn’t something they suddenly did. It IS the character.
If lightning from a hammer and a talking raccoon are dumb then that’s fine but it doesn’t go against what the characters have always done. What the characters always were.

Side note: I disliked Thor Raganarok and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 for the numerous, nonsensical character changes that were made.




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