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Ultimate Permanent Waves poll: Musically does this album belong to the 70's or 80's?

  1. 70's (19 votes [51.35%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.35%

  2. 80's (18 votes [48.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.65%

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#1 Texas King

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:01 PM

Forget the time when PeW has been recorded or when it has been released.
Musically speaking, does the material on this album sound to you like the 70's or the 80's?

I say: 80's all the way!

Edited by Texas King, 12 January 2018 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:04 PM

HYF is the quintessential 80s album.    It has virtually nothing in common with PeW, it doesn't even sound like the same band.    PeW has much more in common wit  AFTK and Hemispheres than HYF and PoW.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:06 PM

80's

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:12 PM

This is not the ultimate PeW poll. There have been others before, and there most likely will be many to come. Nevertheless, PeW is, was, and will always be a 70s album in spirit, released on January 1st 1980.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:13 PM

Toymaker has the final say in this

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The way I see it is that Permanent Waves is a collection of songs from the 70s, released, as a collection, in the 80s

So to clarify ( please do ), when I listen to Jacob's Ladder or Different Strings, etc, what I am hearing is not 80s music

Musically  70s


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This topic has been beaten to the ground n it's becoming too old too quick!! Just give it up, stop trying to win this fight over it, n just let ppl decide what album they think it is okay??

We don't need millions of topics on this that only start fights and arguments among many ppl that cause at times all out wars among fans that could get deadly.

We just need to respect each other n there opinions, n that includes on this topic that is dumb anyway imo. :heart: :heart: xoxo

Edited by Permanent-Rush, 12 January 2018 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:34 PM

The album unmistakably belongs to the 80s. There is absolutely no ambiguity about the decade in which the album was released. The music on that album unmistakably belongs to the 70s.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:34 PM

View PostPermanent-Rush, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Are you talking to the person who has a gun to your head forcing you to read this thread?

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:36 PM

View PostJARG, on 12 January 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

The album unmistakably belongs to the 80s. There is absolutely no ambiguity about the decade in which the album was released. The music on that album unmistakably belongs to the 70s.

A controversial opinion if I ever saw one, ;)

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:37 PM

View PostPermanent-Rush, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This topic has been beaten to the ground n it's becoming too old too quick!! Just give it up, stop trying to win this fight over it, n just let ppl decide what album they think it is okay??

We don't need millions of topics on this that only start fights and arguments among many ppl that cause at times all out wars among fans that could get deadly.

We just need to respect each other n there opinions, n that includes on this topic that is dumb anyway imo. :heart: :heart: xoxo
No.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:39 PM

Just a note, all votes are public. So those of you not right in the head can be easily rounded up and sent to “re-education camps”.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:45 PM

View PostTransverse Leaf Spring, on 12 January 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

Just a note, all votes are public. So those of you not right in the head can be easily rounded up and sent to “re-education camps”.

And if you have enough contempt for the thread to ask folks to not participate it in, you damn well better not have voted in the poll. ;)

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:25 PM

'70s AOR, plainly. Punk/New Wave had been around for a few years by '79 but with PeW Rush was clearly sticking with the old guard. I mean the album started as a concept album about Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or some such nonsense, right? Very '80s indeed, concept albums about medieval English folklore! Even MP was still a '70s AOR album with only Vital Signs providing a glimpse of Rush's move towards what would become the '80s sound (in 1981 what the "'80s" sound would be was by no means clear; no one heard Vital Signs and said, "Oh, that's so '80s!")

Anyway, I voted '70s.

Edited by Rutlefan, 12 January 2018 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:26 PM

I vote 'yes'

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

View PostPermanent-Rush, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This topic has been beaten to the ground n it's becoming too old too quick!! Just give it up, stop trying to win this fight over it, n just let ppl decide what album they think it is okay??

We don't need millions of topics on this that only start fights and arguments among many ppl that cause at times all out wars among fans that could get deadly.

We just need to respect each other n there opinions, n that includes on this topic that is dumb anyway imo. :heart: :heart: xoxo

It's all in fun, isn't it? I doubt CNN will interrupt their Trump coverage with the results.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:27 PM

View PostPermanent-Rush, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This topic has been beaten to the ground n it's becoming too old too quick!! Just give it up, stop trying to win this fight over it, n just let ppl decide what album they think it is okay??

We don't need millions of topics on this that only start fights and arguments among many ppl that cause at times all out wars among fans that could get deadly.

We just need to respect each other n there opinions, n that includes on this topic that is dumb anyway imo. :heart: :heart: xoxo
Let's have a new poll,  will the death toll from the wars caused by this debate be in the 70s or 80s?

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:38 PM

Lucky to hear it Christmas Eve 1979.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:53 PM

View PostPermanent-Rush, on 12 January 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

OKAY CAN WE STOP THE f***ing NONSENSE ON THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This topic has been beaten to the ground n it's becoming too old too quick!! Just give it up, stop trying to win this fight over it, n just let ppl decide what album they think it is okay??

We don't need millions of topics on this that only start fights and arguments among many ppl that cause at times all out wars among fans that could get deadly.

We just need to respect each other n there opinions, n that includes on this topic that is dumb anyway imo. :heart: :heart: xoxo
Uh oh, the thought police just showed up

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:54 PM

Well technically the decade didn't begin until January 1, 1981. Just like how the new millennium didn't start until January 1, 2001.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:58 PM

View PostTexas King, on 12 January 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

Forget the time when PeW has been recorded or when it has been released.
Musically speaking, does the material on this album sound to you like the 70's or the 80's?

I say: 80's all the way!

I think the only song on it that definitely sounds like an 80s song is TSOR.

Parts of Natural Science sound 80s-ish, but at the same time, Tide Pools, with the acoustic guitar and lines like "Each microcosmic planet a complete society" might easily be presumed by one unfamiliar with Rush to have been recorded in the late 60s.

It definitely does not sound as "70s-ish" as AFTK or Hemispheres.

I think its sound reflects the time it was recorded and released; the turn of a decade.

Music changes over time for many reasons (musicians' interests, influences, and abilities change, the technology associated with album production changes, etc). But they don't change on a dime at the stroke of midnight on New Year's Eve on the last day of the last year of a decade.

However "the sound of music" changes slowly enough that it tends to be similar enough overall over the span of a decade that in retrospect we can associate a particular sound roughly with a particular decade.

Take the 60s for example. When most people think of what 60s music sounds like, they think of things like acoustic guitar, organs, and psychedelic sonics. But what we think of as "the sound of the 60s" is really the sound of the mid 60s to early 70s.

The sound of any given decade tends to begin incrementally in the latter years of one decade and become clearly identifiable -in retrospect at least - by around the mid point of the following decade.

Some elements of "the 80s sound" were already firmly in place in the late 70s, and elements of "the 70s sound" lingered on into the early 80s.

PeW was recorded in the late fall of 1979 and released on January 14 of 1980 and it sounds pretty much what you would expect of an album recorded in late '79.

Music knows no calendar; "the 80s", so far as the "sound of the 80s" is concerned, came into being by degrees in the late 70s even as "the sound of the 70s" didn't die at midnight of December 31, 1979, but died by degrees as the new decade progressed.

PeW is very much a "turn of the decade" affair.

I don't think the 80s were in full bloom for Rush until Signals.

Edited by rftag, 12 January 2018 - 07:02 PM.





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