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#1 oghond2112

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 06:29 PM

I've realized something.

There's basically no point in me making these Freewill in 2112 threads when the show as a whole will probably never come to fruition. This is for three reasons:

1: I have no idea where Geddy, Alex and Neil live- okay, I know they live in Toronto and LA, but I don't know EXACTLY where they live. As in their houses.

2: Even if I DID know, there'll be the entire problem of rights and securing them, and God only knows how protective Neil is of the rights to his lyrics. Not to mention Geddy and Alex. Hopefully, they'd be flattered that anyone would make a musical based on their music, but there's always the chance...

3: MY FAMILY IS NOT CANADIAN. I am not Canadian. I will probably never meet Geddy, Alex or Neil unless I got REALLY lucky.

So... is this the end?

Will I have to salvage my dreams?

I was brought up to believe
Belief has failed me now...


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:04 PM

View Postoghond2112, on 18 December 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

I've realized something.

There's basically no point in me making these Freewill in 2112 threads when the show as a whole will probably never come to fruition. This is for three reasons:

1: I have no idea where Geddy, Alex and Neil live- okay, I know they live in Toronto and LA, but I don't know EXACTLY where they live. As in their houses.

2: Even if I DID know, there'll be the entire problem of rights and securing them, and God only knows how protective Neil is of the rights to his lyrics. Not to mention Geddy and Alex. Hopefully, they'd be flattered that anyone would make a musical based on their music, but there's always the chance...

3: MY FAMILY IS NOT CANADIAN. I am not Canadian. I will probably never meet Geddy, Alex or Neil unless I got REALLY lucky.

So... is this the end?

Will I have to salvage my dreams?

I was brought up to believe
Belief has failed me now...

The point is, if I ever want this musical to be real, I would have to meet, and DIRECTLY talk to, Geddy, Alex and Neil, since they wrote the songs and, therefore, own the rights. The chances of that happening are slim to NONE.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:25 PM

View Postoghond2112, on 18 December 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

View Postoghond2112, on 18 December 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

I've realized something.

There's basically no point in me making these Freewill in 2112 threads when the show as a whole will probably never come to fruition. This is for three reasons:

1: I have no idea where Geddy, Alex and Neil live- okay, I know they live in Toronto and LA, but I don't know EXACTLY where they live. As in their houses.

2: Even if I DID know, there'll be the entire problem of rights and securing them, and God only knows how protective Neil is of the rights to his lyrics. Not to mention Geddy and Alex. Hopefully, they'd be flattered that anyone would make a musical based on their music, but there's always the chance...

3: MY FAMILY IS NOT CANADIAN. I am not Canadian. I will probably never meet Geddy, Alex or Neil unless I got REALLY lucky.

So... is this the end?

Will I have to salvage my dreams?

I was brought up to believe
Belief has failed me now...

The point is, if I ever want this musical to be real, I would have to meet, and DIRECTLY talk to, Geddy, Alex and Neil, since they wrote the songs and, therefore, own the rights. The chances of that happening are slim to NONE.

Well, never give up on a dream!  I hope that you get to meet Geddy, Alex, and maybe even Neil someday; it seems like you have put a lot of time into your musical.

You seem to like to get the details right, though, so I hope I don't seem like Debbie Downer if I let you know that Geddy, Alex, and Neil, if I understand correctly, don't own the copyrights/publishing rights to their music anymore.  They sold the rights to that stuff to Ole, a Canadian company, in 2014.  I think at the time Ray Danniels their manager said something about it being retirement planning.  I should have listened more closely!      https://www.musicbus...ishing-company/

Don't give up hope, though.  In the U.S., you can use a musical work for a limited time for educational or research purposes under the fair use part of copyright law (although people often ask the owner's permission first.)  Maybe Canada has something similar and if you put your musical on as part of a workshop or something with a school you could get permission.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 09:48 AM

View Postblueschica, on 18 December 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

View Postoghond2112, on 18 December 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

View Postoghond2112, on 18 December 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

I've realized something.

There's basically no point in me making these Freewill in 2112 threads when the show as a whole will probably never come to fruition. This is for three reasons:

1: I have no idea where Geddy, Alex and Neil live- okay, I know they live in Toronto and LA, but I don't know EXACTLY where they live. As in their houses.

2: Even if I DID know, there'll be the entire problem of rights and securing them, and God only knows how protective Neil is of the rights to his lyrics. Not to mention Geddy and Alex. Hopefully, they'd be flattered that anyone would make a musical based on their music, but there's always the chance...

3: MY FAMILY IS NOT CANADIAN. I am not Canadian. I will probably never meet Geddy, Alex or Neil unless I got REALLY lucky.

So... is this the end?

Will I have to salvage my dreams?

I was brought up to believe
Belief has failed me now...

The point is, if I ever want this musical to be real, I would have to meet, and DIRECTLY talk to, Geddy, Alex and Neil, since they wrote the songs and, therefore, own the rights. The chances of that happening are slim to NONE.

Well, never give up on a dream!  I hope that you get to meet Geddy, Alex, and maybe even Neil someday; it seems like you have put a lot of time into your musical.

You seem to like to get the details right, though, so I hope I don't seem like Debbie Downer if I let you know that Geddy, Alex, and Neil, if I understand correctly, don't own the copyrights/publishing rights to their music anymore.  They sold the rights to that stuff to Ole, a Canadian company, in 2014.  I think at the time Ray Danniels their manager said something about it being retirement planning.  I should have listened more closely!      https://www.musicbus...ishing-company/

Don't give up hope, though.  In the U.S., you can use a musical work for a limited time for educational or research purposes under the fair use part of copyright law (although people often ask the owner's permission first.)  Maybe Canada has something similar and if you put your musical on as part of a workshop or something with a school you could get permission.

Oh. I didn't know that Geddy, Alex, and Neil gave away their copyright.

The law says nothing about copyrighted music being used for entertainment purposes, though. Canada has a similar law, but it also has fair use for parodies and satires. Freewill in 2112 is neither- it's a TRIBUTE. This is meant to be a THANK-YOU to RUSH for 40+ years of great music. (Technically, though, it's also used as a political message to the American people, but the show will probably make it to Broadway long after the political undertones can no longer be applied...)

Thanks for your kind words. That said, though, I still will probably never meet whoever owns Ole.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

Does anyone here think that the members of RUSH would be flattered and/or moved if they saw the show, if it was to ever be put on at a regional theatre or something? (Or better yet, on Broadway?)




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