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#1 Texas King

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:13 PM

How did you get the lyrics of this song?

I was brought up to believe
The universe has a plan
We are only human
It's not ours to understand

The universe has a plan
All is for the best
Some will be rewarded
And the devil will take the rest

All is for the best
Believe in what we're told
Blind man in the market
Buying what we're sold
Believe in what we're told
Until our final breath
While our loving Watchmaker
Loves us all to death

In a world of cut and thrust
I was always taught to trust
In a world where all must fail
Heaven's justice will prevail

The joy and pain that we receive
Each comes with its own cost
The price of what we're winning
Is the same as what we've lost

Until our final breath
The joy and pain that we receive
Must be what we deserve
I was brought up to believe.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:24 PM

Ask Elwood.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:27 PM

it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:34 PM

I think it's a long winded way of saying your mind shouldn't be for rent to any god or government, long after he stopped believing the last part.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:27 PM

In part I think it's sort of an updated Freewill - contrasting the notion that people are just pawns in a cosmic plan with the idea that you can choose your own path.  Here it's written into the Clockwork Angels story to give insight into the character's background.  Everything is fore-ordained, which is a handy philosophy for the powers-that-be (mostly the Watchmaker, representing rigidity and efficiency) to promote so they can control people and keep order.  It is true that much of religious doctrine concerns prohibitions, with the fear of punishment for breaking divine law.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:34 PM

Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:49 PM

View PostJ2112YYZ, on 27 October 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one.

I think that was the song's original title.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:51 PM

View Posttoymaker, on 27 October 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

View PostJ2112YYZ, on 27 October 2017 - 03:34 PM, said:

Very straightforward meaning and that is "f**k you religion". There's really no deep analysis with this one.

I think that was the song's original title.

FUR is the abbreviated version I believe.

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 04:00 PM

I'd love to hear a Neil  christmas album.

Santa's Fake and God is dead (Stop F**king crying)

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:12 PM

The joy of tim Horton's donuts and breakfast bagels


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:46 PM

It's more interesting in context of the novel, but overall the meaning is pretty dull. I'm not gonna say they aren't well written lyrics from an aesthetic standpoint, they sound very cool in the song, but looking any deeper just leads to disappointment,

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:59 PM

View PostEntre_Perpetuo, on 27 October 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

It's more interesting in context of the novel, but overall the meaning is pretty dull. I'm not gonna say they aren't well written lyrics from an aesthetic standpoint, they sound very cool in the song, but looking any deeper just leads to disappointment,

Never been disappointed by a Tim Horton's egg bagel and donut special

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 10:30 PM

Each human has their own interpretation of this song!  It's quite simple for me and it's on my license plate!


BU2BYYZ!

While everyone on the planet back in 1981 was falling in love with "Tom Sawyer" as a very young drummer I fell in love instantly with YYZ!

So decades later here is sit.  Typing the same old lovely shit.

I truly was Brought up to believe YYZ!

It's part of my Universal Plan.

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 12:05 AM

There is the Fear four part trilogy.  Then there is the series of songs with the underlying theme of thinking for yourself against the norm of religious authority or societal default.  BU2B is the latest realization.

Freewill -- nothing is pre-ordained
Roll the Bones -- sh*t happens, immortal powers need not apply
Ghost of a Chance -- no superstition, but love is real
Totem -- you're a thought victim in a pantheon
The Stars Look Down -- cosmic reality cares not for anthropomorphism
Faithless -- I've got my own moral compass to steer by
BU2B -- your belief is a product of how you were raised

Actually, the whole album Clockwork Angels is the magnus opus on this series.  This life is a story within a man-made story... there were self-defined good times and bad times... things to wonder at and things to regret... rationality struggles against irrationality... the morbid realization at one's own mortality... the legacy of love and enlightenment... the indifference of the universe...

The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect
I wish that I could live it all again

Hope that helps!

Edited by psionic11, 28 October 2017 - 12:14 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 01:12 AM

View Postpsionic11, on 28 October 2017 - 12:05 AM, said:

There is the Fear four part trilogy.  Then there is the series of songs with the underlying theme of thinking for yourself against the norm of religious authority or societal default.  BU2B is the latest realization.

Freewill -- nothing is pre-ordained
Roll the Bones -- sh*t happens, immortal powers need not apply
Ghost of a Chance -- no superstition, but love is real
Totem -- you're a thought victim in a pantheon
The Stars Look Down -- cosmic reality cares not for anthropomorphism
Faithless -- I've got my own moral compass to steer by
BU2B -- your belief is a product of how you were raised

Actually, the whole album Clockwork Angels is the magnus opus on this series.  This life is a story within a man-made story... there were self-defined good times and bad times... things to wonder at and things to regret... rationality struggles against irrationality... the morbid realization at one's own mortality... the legacy of love and enlightenment... the indifference of the universe...

The measure of a life is a measure of love and respect
I wish that I could live it all again

Hope that helps!

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You are brighter than the North Star.

Yes!

I agree with your intellectual post!

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 07:25 AM

Neil: Religion sucks, texting rules.
Geddy: IKR

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 09:42 AM

1/2 assed Candide + 1/2 assed idea of karma = half-baked NP

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:17 AM

I knew Voltaire was a philosopher, but was not familiar with Candide.  After a quick once-over of thefreedictionary.com article on Candide, I can see a lot of Clockwork Angels in it for sure. Reality smashes optimism and glossy sayings like "it's all for the best" or "it's God's will"...

Not sure where you get the idea of karma in Neil's work.  If there is no divine hand in all this, why would one believe that what comes around goes around?

Why are little ones born only to suffer
For the want of immunity
Or a bowl of rice?

Edited by psionic11, 28 October 2017 - 10:18 AM.


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Posted 28 October 2017 - 11:15 AM

View Postbluefox4000, on 27 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity.

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That about sums it up.  :popcorn:

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 11:24 AM

View PostLorraine, on 28 October 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

View Postbluefox4000, on 27 October 2017 - 01:27 PM, said:

it's another boring Neil attack on religion and conformity.

Mick
That about sums it up.  :popcorn:

that's why i don't consider Neil a great lyricist.  maybe in the early days........and that's a BIG maybe.  but when Vapor trails hit.  He shifted into cynical asshole mode and got stuck. now we kinda know why but still.  and i'm Cynical myself but hearing it over and over.  get's on my nerves,

Mick

Edited by bluefox4000, 28 October 2017 - 11:25 AM.





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