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#41 greyfriar

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:45 PM

Superconductor is OK to me but this was really a serious crime...


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:53 PM

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View PostLucas, on 17 October 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

Fair or not, some of the hate might have to do with the embarrassing video ..

Unfortunately, the video suits the song perfectly

Hard to know. But I'd guess nearly all Rush fans heard the song way before they saw the video. If anything, the most likely case for haters would've been that they hated the song first then later hated the video TOO.

And thinking along those lines, the even shittier Time Stand Still video hasn't seemed to stop fans from liking that song

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The Superconductor video makes the POS they did for Time Stand Still look like Johnny Cash's Hurt by comparison.

Edited by laughedatbytime, 18 October 2017 - 05:54 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:54 PM

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View PostTexas King, on 18 October 2017 - 04:33 AM, said:

DULL song!
Funny but it seems that a lot of folks that dig Superconductor will express love for Madrigal or Rivendell.  Give me upbeat parody all day over that stuff.

IMO Superconductor is a bit pedestrian. By that point in their career, I would like to think they could have done better. If it was parody, then it was not a very good (IMHO).

Yes, I like Madrigal (wouldn't say I love it though - it's probably my least favorite tune on that album but a nice preparation for Cygnus X-1). No, I do not like Rivendell.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 05:56 PM

If the Kardashians would like a Rush song, it would be Half the World.    But Superconductor would be a close second (even if it is a parody of what led to their success.)

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:40 PM

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View PostEagleMoon, on 18 October 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

It’s not very “Rushy”.  More like video game music.
7/8 time sig is well-disguised.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:28 AM

View PostEagleMoon, on 18 October 2017 - 10:40 PM, said:

View Postgoose, on 18 October 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostEagleMoon, on 18 October 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

It’s not very “Rushy”.  More like video game music.
7/8 time sig is well-disguised.

7/4
Extremely well-disguised, then.  :lol:

I actually put 7/4 first, but changed my mind.  I think the 4/4 "hits me in a soft place" break caused me doubt.

ETA:  I was led to explore the 7/4 v 7/8 theoretical dilemma, and this was a fun read...
https://www.reddit.c...time_signature/

Edited by goose, 19 October 2017 - 12:50 AM.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:47 AM

View PostLucas, on 17 October 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

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View PostLucas, on 17 October 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

Fair or not, some of the hate might have to do with the embarrassing video ..

Unfortunately, the video suits the song perfectly

Hard to know. But I'd guess nearly all Rush fans heard the song way before they saw the video. If anything, the most likely case for haters would've been that they hated the song first then later hated the video TOO.

And thinking along those lines, the even shittier Time Stand Still video hasn't seemed to stop fans from liking that song

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Not a big fan of the video itself with Mann, but I loved Neil on his big white kit.  Neil was in great shape back then.  As a Neil Peart clone I actually was a cyclist back then and in excellent shape like Neil.  There is that part of the video when the camera is over the band and it's going crazy showing multiple motion shots of the band.  Some say I look like Neil in that video.  Funny as it is true.

Luckily I am still in good shape and I still have my dark hair.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:49 AM

I can live with it but that late 80's/ early 90's Rush production was too much like Kenny Loggins - Footloose.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:40 AM

View Postgreyfriar, on 18 October 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

Superconductor is OK to me but this was really a serious crime...


Yes I think the memories of Xanaconductor taint the song.

Some excellent cutting lyrics in there, Rupert Hine's vocals for the chorus are dreadful though, similar to Face Up in that respect. The production on Presto doesn't work well for it either, unlike other songs on that album.



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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:48 AM

View PostLurkst, on 19 October 2017 - 08:40 AM, said:

View Postgreyfriar, on 18 October 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

Superconductor is OK to me but this was really a serious crime...


Yes I think the memories of Xanaconductor taint the song.

Some excellent cutting lyrics in there, Rupert Hine's vocals for the chorus are dreadful though, similar to Face Up in that respect. The production on Presto doesn't work well for it either, unlike other songs on that album.

I was JUST thinking about the Face Up/Superconductor similarity that you're talking about. But I dislike Face Up and, as I said in a previous post, Superconductor is ok.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 08:49 AM

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:50 PM

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A whole thread on one of my least favorite Rush songs ever (and I say "one of my least favorite" just because I don't want to take the time to think if there's any other Rush song that I like less than Superconductor).  To me, Superconductor is excessively cloying in a way that I just don't hear on other Rush songs.  It feels like a play for simplistic appeal; "pop pap," if you will.  I've previously mentioned this, but when I hear Superconductor, I picture Shirley Temple, arms extended outward, palms forward, making big swirling motions, a la Good Ship Lollypop.  Not a pretty image for a rock band.
  Maybe I've been missing the purpose for all of these years, but perhaps the music is designed to highlight the message of the song; some hitmaker cobbles together a few harmonized chords, sticks a pretty boy/girl behind a mic, and viola, a hit!  In that vein, think for a minute how the lyrics would sound to a background more typical of Rush: Alex' buzzsaw guitar and Geddy's bass runs with drum fills everywhere.  I think the message of the song would get lost, as what you're hearing in no way correlates to the critique of the popular music industry.  Perhaps that's why Rush wrote a song that musically sounds like the machine-produced pablum it describes.  Wow, an on-line moment of self discovery by me.  Cool.  I still hate the song, but cool.

I said something similar in a long-ago post.  I think the whole thing is tongue in cheek, including the video - I think it's deliberate.  It's a piss take on pop music and pop culture - "fantasy for sale - that's entertainment."  I think the lyrics are great, particularly the line "pin the donkeys on her tail."  Everything about the video is "wrong" - including Lee's and Lifeson's positions on stage.  The "crowd" is doing what every rock video crowd for hire does - over-the-top fist pumps.  Meanwhile it is all orchestrated by a corporate bureaucrat - the "super conductor."  The crowd jumps up as soon as he hits the button.  When the song slows down, he turns a dial and everyone sits and does "the wave."  Everything is fake, bullshit illusion - "careful to conceal the fact that she's only too real."  If you watch the video without thinking "Gad, this is cheesy" . . . then you've missed the point.

When the conductor loses control near the end of the video, he "pulls the plug" - another all-too-familiar situation in the music industry.

It could be the song is deliberately mild by Rush standards to reflect this situation, as well.  There's some pretty great drumming, though . . . Neil is the only one in his proper position on stage.

Edited by toymaker, 19 October 2017 - 12:51 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:17 PM

The video was directed by Jerry Casale from Devo, so it's a fair bet to say it's tongue in cheek...


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:00 PM

View Posttomhealey, on 18 October 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

View Posttomhealey, on 18 October 2017 - 12:45 PM, said:

A whole thread on one of my least favorite Rush songs ever (and I say "one of my least favorite" just because I don't want to take the time to think if there's any other Rush song that I like less than Superconductor).  To me, Superconductor is excessively cloying in a way that I just don't hear on other Rush songs.  It feels like a play for simplistic appeal; "pop pap," if you will.  I've previously mentioned this, but when I hear Superconductor, I picture Shirley Temple, arms extended outward, palms forward, making big swirling motions, a la Good Ship Lollypop.  Not a pretty image for a rock band.
  Maybe I've been missing the purpose for all of these years, but perhaps the music is designed to highlight the message of the song; some hitmaker cobbles together a few harmonized chords, sticks a pretty boy/girl behind a mic, and viola, a hit!  In that vein, think for a minute how the lyrics would sound to a background more typical of Rush: Alex' buzzsaw guitar and Geddy's bass runs with drum fills everywhere.  I think the message of the song would get lost, as what you're hearing in no way correlates to the critique of the popular music industry.  Perhaps that's why Rush wrote a song that musically sounds like the machine-produced pablum it describes.  Wow, an on-line moment of self discovery by me.  Cool.  I still hate the song, but cool.

That is exactly the point of this song, they way it is played, written, sonic approach etc, the video too (Alex playing on the right side of thes tage instead of his usual left). Complete opposite of what Rush is. So a cool parody you can say.

Song is still very sub par though....agree with that. Not horrible. But nothing really good.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:16 PM

View PostLurkst, on 19 October 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

The video was directed by Jerry Casale from Devo, so it's a fair bet to say it's tongue in cheek...
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The song in the vein of Dog Years, another most-hated RUSH tune that I also like just fine.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:24 PM

The problem with doing a piss take like this is that from the outside it seems that Rush have gone all power pop  and have got screaming kids in a corny film clip.I was horrified when I first saw the clip until I "got"the joke.But until you got the joke it seemed to the average punter that Rush had sold out.As a song I really liked it when I first got Presto mainly because it was the most rocking song on the album along with Red Tide but I gradually moved to the deeper cuts.

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

View PostLurkst, on 19 October 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

The video was directed by Jerry Casale from Devo, so it's a fair bet to say it's tongue in cheek...

Just watched the Superconductor video. It's not that bad of a song. The video satirizes (or is it 'lampoons'?) the entertainer-audience relationship, and is cut from a similar cloth as this one:

That's a pretty sweet "upside down" guitar riff btw. :guitar:

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 04:53 PM

View Postgrasbo, on 19 October 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

The problem with doing a piss take like this is that from the outside it seems that Rush have gone all power pop  and have got screaming kids in a corny film clip.I was horrified when I first saw the clip until I "got"the joke.But until you got the joke it seemed to the average punter that Rush had sold out.As a song I really liked it when I first got Presto mainly because it was the most rocking song on the album along with Red Tide but I gradually moved to the deeper cuts.

I think the underlying issue is that Rush sucks at joke songs. I Think I'm Going Bald, Dog Years, etc. No one gets it but them. And you get baffled fans who try and approach the songs as being serious cause that's what they usually do.

Edited by Wil1972, 19 October 2017 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 06:37 PM

View PostWil1972, on 19 October 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

View Postgrasbo, on 19 October 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

The problem with doing a piss take like this is that from the outside it seems that Rush have gone all power pop  and have got screaming kids in a corny film clip.I was horrified when I first saw the clip until I "got"the joke.But until you got the joke it seemed to the average punter that Rush had sold out.As a song I really liked it when I first got Presto mainly because it was the most rocking song on the album along with Red Tide but I gradually moved to the deeper cuts.

I think the underlying issue is that Rush sucks at joke songs. I Think I'm Going Bald, Dog Years, etc. No one gets it but them. And you get baffled fans who try and approach the songs as being serious cause that's what they usually do.

Hey, if you can reach even one person you've done something.  I get the jokes.

Joke's on me...

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Posted 20 October 2017 - 08:40 AM

View Postvaportrailer, on 19 October 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

View PostLurkst, on 19 October 2017 - 01:17 PM, said:

The video was directed by Jerry Casale from Devo, so it's a fair bet to say it's tongue in cheek...

Just watched the Superconductor video. It's not that bad of a song. The video satirizes (or is it 'lampoons'?) the entertainer-audience relationship, and is cut from a similar cloth as this one:

That's a pretty sweet "upside down" guitar riff btw. :guitar:
Great tune!  And Soundgarden's cover is solid, too.




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