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Poll: Is Rik Emmett in the same league with Alex Lifeson? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

Is Rik Emmett in the same league with Alex Lifeson?

  1. Yes, hands down. (13 votes [48.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.15%

  2. Definitely no! (5 votes [18.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  3. I really don't know. (6 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  4. Rik is even better than Lerxst. (3 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

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#21 JohnnyBlaze

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:13 PM

View PostJARG, on 17 October 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 17 October 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

It's like comparing Maryann and Ginger.

I wouldn't kick either out of bed.

....but then again I'm not picky.

Mrs. Howell?
She had her moments. ;)

Actually she was hot...

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#22 Xanadoood

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:29 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 17 October 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

No. Tossing a classical guitar piece on an album full of cheesy arena rock tunes doesn't make one great.

You make Triumph sound like Bon Jovi

They were cheesy in a different way. Here are a few song title examples from triumph..

I live for the weekend

Fool for your love

Hot time ( In this city tonight)

And then we have Petite Etude.. a little acoustic piece from Rick.. I guess he was playing it during his hot time in the city .. tonight

In always got the impression that Rick desperately wanted to be in a more serious band without so much cheese..He was a very accomplished player.

Edited by Xanadoood, 17 October 2017 - 10:33 PM.


#23 JohnnyBlaze

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 10:50 PM

View PostXanadoood, on 17 October 2017 - 10:29 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 17 October 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

No. Tossing a classical guitar piece on an album full of cheesy arena rock tunes doesn't make one great.

You make Triumph sound like Bon Jovi

They were cheesy in a different way. Here are a few song title examples from triumph..

I live for the weekend

Fool for your love

Hot time ( In this city tonight)

And then we have Petite Etude.. a little acoustic piece from Rick.. I guess he was playing it during his hot time in the city .. tonight

In always got the impression that Rick desperately wanted to be in a more serious band without so much cheese..He was a very accomplished player.

To me it was the drummer (Gil Moore?, forgot his name) who was the more rock oriented guy BUT he sounded cheesier.

But yeah, there were plenty of Rik songs in Triumph that sounded cheesy and should've been on cheesy 80s movie soundtracks. One song is the lyric and accompanying music that goes "somebody's out there, somewhere...waiting for someone to come their way". It's like the song that ends the movie as the main character gets the babe. :lol:

But then there are very cool tunes like Lay It On the Line and Fight the Good Fight that more than make up for the cheesy moments.

Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 17 October 2017 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 11:09 PM

I love Alex, but he never came close to doing anything like Finger Talkin'

Blinding Light Show kicks ass too

The question here wasn't the integrity of the lyrics or song meaning ... Rik Emmett and Alex are comparable, and chops wise, I'd give the nod to Rik  .... Alex was a part of some masterpiece albums, which he obvious had a huge role in creating, but he didn't hold up his end as the guitar hero - more power to him, Alex followed what was in his heart, but we're talking about guitar, and Alex didn;t progress after 1981 ..


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Edited by Lucas, 17 October 2017 - 11:11 PM.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:19 AM

First poll that has genuinely shocked me.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:14 AM

View PostJARG, on 17 October 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 17 October 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

It's like comparing Maryann and Ginger.

I wouldn't kick either out of bed.

....but then again I'm not picky.

Mrs. Howell?
She had her moments. ;)

...which were all before electricity.

#27 Xanadoood

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:21 AM

View PostSteevo, on 18 October 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

First poll that has genuinely shocked me.

Yeah same here. Alex is a far more interesting player IMO.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:27 AM

View PostPlanet X-1, on 18 October 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

View PostJARG, on 17 October 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 17 October 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

It's like comparing Maryann and Ginger.

I wouldn't kick either out of bed.

....but then again I'm not picky.

Mrs. Howell?
She had her moments. ;)

...which were all before electricity.

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#29 JohnnyBlaze

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:28 AM

View PostXanadoood, on 18 October 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

View PostSteevo, on 18 October 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

First poll that has genuinely shocked me.

Yeah same here. Alex is a far more interesting player IMO.

IMHO, Alex is the more interesting player too.
But "Who's more interesting?" wasn't the poll question.

#30 Xanadoood

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:29 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 18 October 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 18 October 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

View PostSteevo, on 18 October 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

First poll that has genuinely shocked me.

Yeah same here. Alex is a far more interesting player IMO.

IMHO, Alex is the more interesting player too.
But "Who's more interesting?" wasn't the poll question.

This is true.

I would say he's in the same league as far as skill level for sure. But not even close as far as an overall inventive player in the context of the music he wrote with his band. Alex transitioned from hard rock style 70s player to prog player to weaving in and out of Geddys synth obsession in the 80s.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:57 AM

View PostLucas, on 17 October 2017 - 11:09 PM, said:

I love Alex, but he never came close to doing anything like Finger Talkin'

Blinding Light Show kicks ass too

The question here wasn't the integrity of the lyrics or song meaning ... Rik Emmett and Alex are comparable, and chops wise, I'd give the nod to Rik  .... Alex was a part of some masterpiece albums, which he obvious had a huge role in creating, but he didn't hold up his end as the guitar hero - more power to him, Alex followed what was in his heart, but we're talking about guitar, and Alex didn;t progress after 1981 ..

Pretty much spot-on. There's no doubt in my mind that Rik's the more accomplished player, from a technical perspective, but where I think Alex has a leg up on Rik is that Alex's note choices and phrasing can be a bit more creative and riskier. The Time and Motion solo is a good example of that -- I can't imagine Rik ever coming up with something like that, though I've no doubt he could easily learn it and play it.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:57 AM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 18 October 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 18 October 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

View PostSteevo, on 18 October 2017 - 01:19 AM, said:

First poll that has genuinely shocked me.

Yeah same here. Alex is a far more interesting player IMO.

IMHO, Alex is the more interesting player too.
But "Who's more interesting?" wasn't the poll question.
It's become quite evident after reading here for a while, a lot of people seem to be lacking in reading comprehension. I worked with a guy for a while who was a good enough guitar player, that he taught at a local School of Rock type place and he said what he liked about Alex was that he didn't really play the same way twice. He said, "it's like he's kind of improvising a little every time he plays".

Edited by Fordgalaxy, 18 October 2017 - 11:00 AM.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 06:40 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostXanadoood, on 17 October 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

No. Tossing a classical guitar piece on an album full of cheesy arena rock tunes doesn't make one great.

You make Triumph sound like Bon Jovi

Both of them suck

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:25 PM

Al just takes things to another imaginative dimension

Hell, he even LOOKED super cool

Even the name. Even the name, Alex Lifeson..

I mean, please


Dont tell me you can listen to Permanent Waves and think anyone near that same bracket i'm not having it

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:52 PM

Emmet doesn't even come close to writing completely cool kick ass solos like this..

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=UqtCTaYiy0E

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:52 PM

View Postlifeson90, on 18 October 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

Al just takes things to another imaginative dimension

Hell, he even LOOKED super cool

Even the name. Even the name, Alex Lifeson..

I mean, please


Dont tell me you can listen to Permanent Waves and think anyone near that same bracket i'm not having it

I can and I do.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:53 PM

View PostJohnnyBlaze, on 17 October 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 17 October 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:

It's like comparing Maryann and Ginger.

I wouldn't kick either out of bed.

....but then again I'm not picky.

Mrs. Howell?
ok I may have to reassess my statement.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:56 PM

I saw Emmett do a solo show at this little dive in Utah in '01 or so. He'd play a song, take a request, tell a story...

He mentioned that he had to dumb down a lot of his early riffs because the other 2 couldn't handle them.

He us the far more accomplished player. I don't see Alex doing a classical album, or a jazz album.

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:04 PM

View Postedhunter, on 18 October 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

I saw Emmett do a solo show at this little dive in Utah in '01 or so. He'd play a song, take a request, tell a story...

He mentioned that he had to dumb down a lot of his early riffs because the other 2 couldn't handle them.

He us the far more accomplished player. I don't see Alex doing a classical album, or a jazz album.

But that's the issue. He spent most of his career playing in a second rate hard rock band. I saw him and Steve Morse doing a classical guitar duet thing.. Emmett should have just been a guitar solo guy. He completely wasted his talent in an arena rock band, a goofy one who put on Blinding light shows and who lived for the weekend

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 08:08 PM

Alex for the win at 1:45 to 2:00.. boom!

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