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What do you view as the legitimate single season MLB HR record?

  1. Bonds, 73 in 2001 (6 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  2. Maris, 61 in 1961 (7 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  3. Ruth, 60 in a 154 game season in 1927 (Ford Frick, is that you?) (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  4. Other, please explain (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 Rick N. Backer

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:40 PM

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

View PostRick N. Backer, on 21 August 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

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View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Points for Bonds:

Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell.   Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s).   Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters.   Maris hit his in an expansion year.   Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.

Points for Maris:

Bonds cheated.   As did everyone else who cleared 61.   Maris wins.
That makes no sense to me.  But...whatever.  Great points highlighting what Bonds was able to do.

:cheers:
Yep, Bonds was well clear of everyone else.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...
And we're off...
Sorry, I thought you were someone else... ;)

Yes.  It's a complete coincidence that he is the only player on all 5 SB winning teams.  It's a complete coincidence that in 36 and 38 he led the team to the winning field goal in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter.  It's a complete coincidence that he closed a 14 point gap to one of the historically great defenses in 49.   It's a complete coincidence that his team was down 28-3 and won a Super Bowl in February.

How come none of the other "teams" have had as much success this century as his?
I'm gonna let this go for now.  I'm sure there are other better contexts where this discussion is appropriate and I doubt we'll have to wait too long for it to come up.

One of the first things I thought of in February at the end of the game was, "LABT is somewhere losing his mind right now."

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:44 PM

View PostRick N. Backer, on 21 August 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

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View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Points for Bonds:

Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell.   Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s).   Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters.   Maris hit his in an expansion year.   Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.

Points for Maris:

Bonds cheated.   As did everyone else who cleared 61.   Maris wins.
That makes no sense to me.  But...whatever.  Great points highlighting what Bonds was able to do.

:cheers:
Yep, Bonds was well clear of everyone else.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...
And we're off...
Sorry, I thought you were someone else... ;)

Yes.  It's a complete coincidence that he is the only player on all 5 SB winning teams.  It's a complete coincidence that in 36 and 38 he led the team to the winning field goal in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter.  It's a complete coincidence that he closed a 14 point gap to one of the historically great defenses in 49.   It's a complete coincidence that his team was down 28-3 and won a Super Bowl in February.

How come none of the other "teams" have had as much success this century as his?
I'm gonna let this go for now.  I'm sure there are other better contexts where this discussion is appropriate and I doubt we'll have to wait too long for it to come up.

One of the first things I thought of in February at the end of the game was, "LABT is somewhere losing his mind right now."
Maybe you're right.    But I'm too busy coaching the 49ers to respond further.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:44 PM

Speaking of balls.....

watching PTI and they're talking about the balls being juiced.

so are we going to start splitting hairs about the balls being juiced during certain eras?

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:46 PM

View PostHemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Speaking of balls.....

watching PTI and they're talking about the balls being juiced.

so are we going to start splitting hairs about the balls being juiced during certain eras?
I call BS.   They never talk about baseball on ESPN.    Or did Lebron or Lavar Ball comment about it?

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:37 PM

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A word about the "steroids weren't illegal until 2003 (or 2004, I'm not sure which it is said to be)" argument.  Baseball has ALWAYS prohibited the use of any drug for which a player does not have a valid prescription.  Steroids are a drug.  They are prescribed for certain conditions.  Using  them without a valid prescription has always been illegal.  Baseball didn't want to catch Sosa and McGwire and the others.  But that's different from saying what they did wasn't against the rules.
well if baseball didn't want to catch them, then, in effect, there was no rule.
Everyone knew.  Everyone with half a brain, anyway.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:55 PM

View PostHemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

you can't tell me that babe ruth would've taken anything if he was told it would give him an advantage. that guy did anything he wanted and destroyed his body. same with mantle.

remember ruth was the first guy busting HRs in large numbers...so was he gifted or juiced?

we'll never know it, but we automatically give his numbers a pass.
Why don't people complain about the cokeheads of the 70's and 80's?



Flashback to the late 1970's and '80's. Cocaine has gone mainstream, and people are off the rails. Some of these people just happen to be professional baseball players.
In the famous "Pittsburgh Seven" trials of 1985, multiple MLB players testified to cocaine and drug usage before a grand jury. Big time players such as Vida Blue, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Tim Raines were all supposedly connected. Raines even declared that he would sometimes slide into first base to make sure his vial of cocaine didn't break in his back pocket. Former 5-time All-Star and MVP Keith Hernandez even threw up the claim -– under oath -- that 40%, yes 40% of MLB players were using cocaine at the time.  

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 11:07 PM

View PostHemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:


Here's the thing about modern players and juicing. How do we know players of older eras, Maris, Mantle, Babe Ruth, etc....weren't 'juiced' on something as well? There wasn't any testing or oversight so they could have taken anything and gotten away with it.

It's very simple for me...you judge the players by the rules that were in effect at the time they played. Don't blame the players if the league was lax about their rules and testing. You only go to prison if you break a law. If there's no law, then it's legal. The End.

Agreed

I am not saying that I agree ( or disagree ), however, here's a discussion about the possibility of Maris having used steroids during that historic season ..

Some players from that era - Willie Mays included - have admitted to using amphetamines .. Now, I realize that amphetamines are different from steroids, however, steroids were used in cases of injury ...

Who is to say that Maris - or dozens of other players from that era - did not experiment or were not used a guinea pigs  ??

The fact that Maris developed lymphoma at age 48 and died at 51 could be taken as an unfortunate turn from steroid use

http://www.baseballf...d-steriods.html



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 11:25 PM

View PostLucas, on 21 August 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Here's the thing about modern players and juicing. How do we know players of older eras, Maris, Mantle, Babe Ruth, etc....weren't 'juiced' on something as well? There wasn't any testing or oversight so they could have taken anything and gotten away with it.

It's very simple for me...you judge the players by the rules that were in effect at the time they played. Don't blame the players if the league was lax about their rules and testing. You only go to prison if you break a law. If there's no law, then it's legal. The End.

Agreed

I am not saying that I agree ( or disagree ), however, here's a discussion about the possibility of Maris having used steroids during that historic season ..

Some players from that era - Willie Mays included - have admitted to using amphetamines .. Now, I realize that amphetamines are different from steroids, however, steroids were used in cases of injury ...

Who is to say that Maris - or dozens of other players from that era - did not experiment or were not used a guinea pigs  ??

The fact that Maris developed lymphoma at age 48 and died at 51 could be taken as an unfortunate turn from steroid use

http://www.baseballf...d-steriods.html
That's an interesting read.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 11:35 PM

Bonds is so much of an asshole, I wouldn't vote for him regardless.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:27 AM

View PostFordgalaxy, on 21 August 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

Bonds is so much of an asshole.
That we can agree on. But there's lots of assholes in the HOF...Ty Cobb for example.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM

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View PostFordgalaxy, on 21 August 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

Bonds is so much of an asshole.
That we can agree on.
I always thought that hurt Bonds, more than other athletes.  He was such a jerk with the press.  Combined that with his entitled pedigree, and Bonds was easy to dislike.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:23 AM

View Postlaughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Speaking of balls.....

watching PTI and they're talking about the balls being juiced.

so are we going to start splitting hairs about the balls being juiced during certain eras?
I call BS.   They never talk about baseball on ESPN. Or did Lebron or Lavar Ball comment about it?
Hmmm I must have been imagining seeing them discuss juiced baseballs on PTI as I typed that. Silly me.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:24 AM

View Postgoose, on 22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 22 August 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

View PostFordgalaxy, on 21 August 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

Bonds is so much of an asshole.
That we can agree on.
I always thought that hurt Bonds, more than other athletes.  He was such a jerk with the press.  Combined that with his entitled pedigree, and Bonds was easy to dislike.
next poll: who is the bigger baseball douchebag: bonds or arod?

Hell you could have 20 possible answers.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:38 AM

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View Postgoose, on 22 August 2017 - 09:44 AM, said:

View PostHemiBeers, on 22 August 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

View PostFordgalaxy, on 21 August 2017 - 11:35 PM, said:

Bonds is so much of an asshole.
That we can agree on.
I always thought that hurt Bonds, more than other athletes.  He was such a jerk with the press.  Combined that with his entitled pedigree, and Bonds was easy to dislike.
next poll: who is the bigger baseball douchebag: bonds or arod?

Hell you could have 20 possible answers.
Arod.  At least Bonds was straight forward about being an asshole.  That I can respect.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 12:45 PM

It's Bonds' record. Along with his seven MVPs.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 03:03 PM

I honestly couldn't give two sh*ts who has the record anymore and this is coming from the biggest baseball fan ever back in the day. Having said that at least McGuire was hitting a bunch of home runs from his rookie year on. I do realize he had some large leaps in production during parts of his career but nothing like Anderson, Sosa etc. Ruth's 60 in 154 can stand as far as I'm concerned...

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:49 AM

Ruth, in terms of how impressive it was.  Maris by the rules.




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