

Poll: What do you view as the legitimate single season HR record in MLB?
#1
Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:24 PM
So, what say you? What do you view as the legit record? And why?
Votes are public...
#2
Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:37 PM
#3
Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:53 PM
Bonds' record doesn't count for me because he juiced -- how many of those HRs would have died on the warning track without pharmaceutical help? Same goes for McGwire and all the other juicers from that era. They cheated. Screw them.
#4
Posted 21 August 2017 - 06:55 PM
#5
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:04 PM
Here's the thing about modern players and juicing. How do we know players of older eras, Maris, Mantle, Babe Ruth, etc....weren't 'juiced' on something as well? There wasn't any testing or oversight so they could have taken anything and gotten away with it.
It's very simple for me...you judge the players by the rules that were in effect at the time they played. Don't blame the players if the league was lax about their rules and testing. You only go to prison if you break a law. If there's no law, then it's legal. The End.
Edited by HemiBeers, 21 August 2017 - 07:07 PM.
#6
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.
#7
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:18 PM
HemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:
Here's the thing about modern players and juicing. How do we know players of older eras, Maris, Mantle, Babe Ruth, etc....weren't 'juiced' on something as well? There wasn't any testing or oversight so they could have taken anything and gotten away with it.
It's very simple for me...you judge the players by the rules that were in effect at the time they played. Don't blame the players if the league was lax about their rules and testing. You only go to prison if you break a law. If there's no law, then it's legal. The End.
What Bonds accomplished in his era was remarkable, not just for the homeruns, but for the walks as well. That year, he was a force at the plate that hadn't been seen before. It was truly remarkable to watch.
#8
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM
#9
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

ETA: Bonds was hitting against juiced pitchers.
Edited by goose, 21 August 2017 - 07:20 PM.
#10
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...
ETA: Shit, I thought I was replying to RNB....

Edited by laughedatbytime, 21 August 2017 - 07:22 PM.
#11
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM
Rick N. Backer, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
#12
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...
#13
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:24 PM
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

ETA: Bonds was hitting against juiced pitchers.
#14
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:24 PM
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...

#15
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:32 PM
Rick N. Backer, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
#16
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:34 PM
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...

Yes. It's a complete coincidence that he is the only player on all 5 SB winning teams. It's a complete coincidence that in 36 and 38 he led the team to the winning field goal in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter. It's a complete coincidence that he closed a 14 point gap to one of the historically great defenses in 49. It's a complete coincidence that his team was down 28-3 and won a Super Bowl in February.
How come none of the other "teams" have had as much success this century as his?
#17
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:35 PM
remember ruth was the first guy busting HRs in large numbers...so was he gifted or juiced?
we'll never know it, but we automatically give his numbers a pass.
Edited by HemiBeers, 21 August 2017 - 07:37 PM.
#18
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:36 PM
HemiBeers, on 21 August 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:
we'll never know it, but we automatically give his numbers a pass.
#19
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:37 PM
#20
Posted 21 August 2017 - 07:38 PM
Rick N. Backer, on 21 August 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:
goose, on 21 August 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:
laughedatbytime, on 21 August 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:
Bonds hit his HRs in a hugely difficult environment, Pac Bell. Maris had the short porch (even shorter than after the renovation at Yankee Stadium in the 1970s). Bonds faced much tougher pitching, with all kinds of relief specialists instead of tiring starters. Maris hit his in an expansion year. Bonds was intentionally walked 35 times and had 177 walks, Maris had 94 walks, none intentional.
Points for Maris:
Bonds cheated. As did everyone else who cleared 61. Maris wins.

It's not like he won a bunch of championships in the ultimate team sport by 3 pts or in OT...

Yes. It's a complete coincidence that he is the only player on all 5 SB winning teams. It's a complete coincidence that in 36 and 38 he led the team to the winning field goal in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter. It's a complete coincidence that he closed a 14 point gap to one of the historically great defenses in 49. It's a complete coincidence that his team was down 28-3 and won a Super Bowl in February.
How come none of the other "teams" have had as much success this century as his?
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