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Top 3 tracks from CA?

  1. Caravan (29 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  2. BU2B (16 votes [6.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  3. Clockwork Angels (37 votes [15.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.95%

  4. The Anarchist (29 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  5. Carnies (6 votes [2.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.59%

  6. Halo Effect (6 votes [2.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.59%

  7. Seven Cities of Gold (10 votes [4.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.31%

  8. The Wreckers (14 votes [6.03%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.03%

  9. Headlong Flight (46 votes [19.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.83%

  10. BU2B2 (1 votes [0.43%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.43%

  11. Wish Them Well (4 votes [1.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.72%

  12. The Garden (34 votes [14.66%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.66%

Filler track(s) on CA?

  1. Caravan (3 votes [1.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.50%

  2. BU2B (11 votes [5.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.50%

  3. Clockwork Angels (5 votes [2.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  4. The Anarchist (5 votes [2.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.50%

  5. Carnies (20 votes [10.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  6. Halo Effect (24 votes [12.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  7. Seven Cities of Gold (19 votes [9.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.50%

  8. The Wreckers (12 votes [6.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.00%

  9. Headlong Flight (3 votes [1.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.50%

  10. BU2B2 (60 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  11. Wish Them Well (34 votes [17.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.00%

  12. The Garden (4 votes [2.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.00%

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#41 theredtamasrule

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 02:34 PM

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View Postjnoble, on 27 May 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

I hate to say this, being a Rush fan and all but....CA would probably be much more appealing to me if
A: someone else produced and mixed it
B: some songs were dropped and the rest in a different running order
C: a different younger singer performed the vocals. Ged's creaky voice just ruins most of it for me.

I thought Ged's vocals on the album are fine...even powerful in places. It was live that I had to cringe a bit bless him.

They hid a lot of his vocals in the studio by cranking everything else up.

To, like, 11?

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#42 jnoble

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Posted 27 May 2017 - 07:28 PM

Some of the songs start off promising...The intro to Anarchist is pretty kick ass for example. But after a minute or so into it after the vocals start I lose interest and want to skip ahead to the next song. Where the same thing happens. Rinse, lather, repeat. Lol

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 03:48 PM

1. The Wreckers
2. Clockwork Angels
3. Wish Them Well ( I know it's not well loved, but I enjoy it, and it hit me in a personal place when i first heard it.
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Not sure there's true "filler" on here, but "BU2B2" and "Carnies" are the ones I have never gravitated to, personally.

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 05:55 PM

View PostNewWorldScott, on 29 May 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

1. The Wreckers
2. Clockwork Angels
3. Wish Them Well ( I know it's not well loved, but I enjoy it, and it hit me in a personal place when i first heard it.
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Not sure there's true "filler" on here, but "BU2B2" and "Carnies" are the ones I have never gravitated to, personally.

I love Wish Them Well. Still sounds like it could have been the best song on 2112's second side!

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 08:49 PM

My top 5 from the album
1. The Garden
2. Headlong Flight
3. Seven Cities of Gold
4. The Wreckers
5. Caravan

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Posted 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM

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View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 04:57 AM

I wouldn't change a thing. Their last album truly was among their best.

If I had to pick one least favorite song...I don't know. They all fit really well as a complete song cycle.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 02:28 PM

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

Perhaps.

I definitely agree about the mastering.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:52 PM

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

So doesn't that still make it a bad decision? Recording and editing should still be considered.

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Posted 30 May 2017 - 03:56 PM

View PostEagleMoon, on 30 May 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

So doesn't that still make it a bad decision? Recording and editing should still be considered.

My thoughts exactly.

Besides in my opinion Rush are hit and miss with vocal effects. This one stands out as poor a decision as the muffled spoken word sections on CoS.

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Posted 31 May 2017 - 11:55 PM

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

Unfortunatly the majority of the CA album I can't make out half of what he's singing, especially on the heavy songs. Its just a big mush of loudness and noise all crammed together. He may as well be singing in a different language for all I can tell.
Again, I don't want Nick R anywhere near the mixing board and Rush ever again if they were to record together at some point. It's not even his crappy compressed results but he's too much of a fanboy of the band to tell them when something isn't working. So many moments on Snakes and Clockwork where a guy like Broon wouldve said "no no no, that's not good at all!" instead of "That's awesome! Now play it just like that while I headbang to it! You guys are the best!!!"
Rupert Hine gets a lot of flack for his trebely tinny poppy sounding records with Rush and that's certainly a fair point but he WAS good at coaxing good melodies and song flow from the boys. I can't think of a single song on Presto or RTB where it sounded like a disjointed frankenstein of song parts scotch taped together with shoehorned lyrics.

Edited by jnoble, 01 June 2017 - 12:00 AM.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 06:31 AM

View Postjnoble, on 31 May 2017 - 11:55 PM, said:

View Posttheredtamasrule, on 30 May 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 30 May 2017 - 03:50 AM, said:

View PostThe K Man, on 29 May 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

View Postjnoble, on 20 May 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

The part in the title track where it sounds like Geddy is singing through a cheap speaker phone and I can't make out a single word. Not a one. Thanks a lot, Nick R. Bang up job you did there

It's supposed to sound like that.  That is what that vocal effect does.

Then it was a bad decision.

I don't think it's a bad decision, quite the opposite I think it's a great idea...BUT...the mixing/mastering/execution is so bad that like you I can't quite understand everything that's going on musically or vocally. Way too compressed.

Unfortunatly the majority of the CA album I can't make out half of what he's singing, especially on the heavy songs. Its just a big mush of loudness and noise all crammed together. He may as well be singing in a different language for all I can tell.
Again, I don't want Nick R anywhere near the mixing board and Rush ever again if they were to record together at some point. It's not even his crappy compressed results but he's too much of a fanboy of the band to tell them when something isn't working. So many moments on Snakes and Clockwork where a guy like Broon wouldve said "no no no, that's not good at all!" instead of "That's awesome! Now play it just like that while I headbang to it! You guys are the best!!!"
Rupert Hine gets a lot of flack for his trebely tinny poppy sounding records with Rush and that's certainly a fair point but he WAS good at coaxing good melodies and song flow from the boys. I can't think of a single song on Presto or RTB where it sounded like a disjointed frankenstein of song parts scotch taped together with shoehorned lyrics.

This.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:35 AM

View Postjnoble, on 31 May 2017 - 11:55 PM, said:

Rupert Hine gets a lot of flack for his trebely tinny poppy sounding records with Rush and that's certainly a fair point but he WAS good at coaxing good melodies and song flow from the boys. I can't think of a single song on Presto or RTB where it sounded like a disjointed frankenstein of song parts scotch taped together with shoehorned lyrics.

This is a really interesting statement! I haven't thought of it that way. Certainly the tinny treble overload sound is a huge problem for both of those albums, but I agree that the songwriting was in many ways superior to some of the more recent albums; Clockwork Angels being the most egregious offender. I still feel like there is a drop-off from the stellar work of the 80s synth era albums, both in terms of songs and sound especially on Presto, but I hadn't thought of Rupert Hine's contributions beyond the overall sound. Of course this is a faulty way to think about things, because of course producers are heavily involved in arrangements and would be responsible for all the things you mentioned. I think my takeaway is that those two albums ended up being a real mixed bag of wonderful and problematic, but overall came out better than many of the subsequent albums, especially Clockwork Angels, Vapor Trails, and Counterparts. Thank you for bringing up this point.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 11:46 AM

It's true... their SONGCRAFT in the mid-80s into the early 90s was really good.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 12:36 PM

Top 3: Caravan, The Anarchist, Headlong Flight

Filler: BU2B2, Halo Effect

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 04:48 PM

Headlong Flight has easily the most votes in the poll. That's good because that song kicks ass the most on CA.
It's the best Rush song of 21th century IMO.

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 05:46 PM

"Rupert Hine gets a lot of flack for his trebely tinny poppy sounding records with Rush and that's certainly a fair point but he WAS good at coaxing good melodies and song flow from the boys. I can't think of a single song on Presto or RTB where it sounded like a disjointed frankenstein of song parts scotch taped together with shoehorned lyrics."

Both his albums are recorded very flat, but his mixes are excellent. Everything is clear and seperate, bass light yes, but strong enough as a producer to stamp his sound on the records. The guitars occupy to much of the soundscape, sounding so huge that it's hard to get anything over it, combine it with Geddy's bass and busy drums you get the mess that you hear on some records!


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Posted 11 September 2017 - 06:03 PM

View Postbootruss, on 11 September 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

"Rupert Hine gets a lot of flack for his trebely tinny poppy sounding records with Rush and that's certainly a fair point but he WAS good at coaxing good melodies and song flow from the boys. I can't think of a single song on Presto or RTB where it sounded like a disjointed frankenstein of song parts scotch taped together with shoehorned lyrics."

Both his albums are recorded very flat, but his mixes are excellent. Everything is clear and seperate, bass light yes, but strong enough as a producer to stamp his sound on the records. The guitars occupy to much of the soundscape, sounding so huge that it's hard to get anything over it, combine it with Geddy's bass and busy drums you get the mess that you hear on some records!

Who said that quoted paragraph?




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