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Poll: Your opinion on self-diagnosing? (7 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you think it's possible to diagnose yourself with certain illnesses?

  1. Only some physical illnesses. (the flu, sciatica, etc) (1 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. Some physical and mental illnesses, but only common ones. (5 votes [71.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.43%

  3. "Complex" mental disorders with plenty of research/history of symptoms can be self diagnosed. (e.g. autism, eating disorders, etc) (1 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

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#21 Steve Smith

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:29 AM

View PostFridge, on 20 March 2017 - 04:04 AM, said:

View PostLucas, on 19 March 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

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View PostLucas, on 18 March 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Of all the people here who have seen doctors for anxiety and other mood related issues, I'd love to know how many doctors took B12 tests before doling out prescriptions for SSRIs and other band aids ..

There is no health care industry in this country anymore ... It is a sickness industry, and the only way to remain healthy is to educate yourself, read and ask questions

I had comprehensive blood tests done before I went on to my medicine regime...you tar the medical profession with the same brush, but ours are not financially motivated as we have a National Health Service (you said in another post all WESTERN doctors follow the AMA).

Again, I am very interested to find out the level of your Medical training that allows you to make such sweeping statements...

In the late 90s, I was a 2nd year pre med student with aspirations of becoming a psychiatrist ... When my dad died during a routine stress test at a hospital, it changed my world in two ways:  I lost my best friend, unnecessarily, and I decided instead of pursuing a medical career, I choose to return to the family business ( auto repair and restoration ) that my parents had begun in 1982 .. That business meant everything to him, as he and my Mom sold their wedding bands to start it ..

Soon after, my Mom developed blood clots in her legs .. I stood there while her doctor told her that she would require surgery, and be on Heparin for the rest of her life ...... At that point, we took her to a integrative MD with practiced acupuncture ... Not only did he completely clear the blood clots with acupuncture and herbs, but he also helped my Mom kick a 25+ year Valium habit ... ( Mom is current 86 years old and still going to work everyday )

Personally, I have experienced the worst of the worst in doctors with my own health, which, if you are interested, I will write about ... But my recovery began with falling back on what I had learned, plus a lot of common sense - something that I feel Western doctors do not apply often enough to their diagnosis ..

I volunteer with a lyme disease support group here in NJ, as this infection has become epidemic here in NJ, and until recently, along with the host of other infections transmitted by ticks, was largely ignored by doctors, even to the point of denial ..

It was by my own unflinching refusal to believe that my condition was "for life" : when I was unable to walk up and down stairs unassisted and I had anxiety so bad that I could no longer go outside my home, I was told "that's it" ... bullshit

There are a lot of very good things people can do on their own to solve health issues that they absolutely should present and speak with a good doctor about ...

Ancient Ways mentioned a DNA test and Vitamin D - tests like these were all but out of the question a decade ago to anyone but a specialist, but now can be done thru simple saliva tests very reasonably and accurately thru a service like 23and Me ..

What a lot of doctors dislike about this is that all of a sudden, their patient has valuable tests results or info that they ( the doctor ) have no idea how to interpret or how to go about treating ..

Again, I am NOT in favor of someone doing anything without the guidance of a good MD or other doc ... But in the course of my recovery, due to all the reading I have done, my limited education and from speaking the other people who have gone thru or are going thru what I did, I feel THAT was as important as part of me getting my life back as anything ..

There is a reason for everything .. Just keep asking WHY and if your doctor doesn't have an answer, get another doctor

All very interesting, but it doesn't alter the fact that your experience is exclusively with American, not WESTERN doctors, and it certainty doesn't mirror the experiences that I and  many others I know have had over here.

Taking responsibility for your healthcare is of course a very responsible thing to do, something I practice myself.

Your anecdotes, whilst you have my sympathy, are certainly not evidence of the entire medical profession misperforming.

Fridge dude I think you hit the nail right on the head. I suffered from depression caused by relationship break up, being bullied at work etc

I mean I am a MAN. It is awful to feel like you have no control. I was in an office environment where you had to be so so correct about everything.

If I had been a construction worker or a factory worker I could have just said "OK lets go outside and sort this like man to man" I would not have cared if he was bigger than me, we could have had a good old fashioned punch up and if I got a hiding then fair enough, all would have been resolved then we could get on with it after clearing the air.

But in an office environment you cant do that, the mental bullying chips chips away at you over time it is horrible.

So I left and I was depressed. But all of the Therapists I spoke to knew jack shit. They learned everything from a book and at college. They have no experience of what it feels like

In the end with the help of my dear mum I sorted myself out

Sorry to be negative but, YOU are the only one that has control to get better.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:35 AM

View PostSteve Smith, on 20 March 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

View PostFridge, on 20 March 2017 - 04:04 AM, said:

View PostLucas, on 19 March 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostFridge, on 19 March 2017 - 03:10 AM, said:

View PostLucas, on 18 March 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Of all the people here who have seen doctors for anxiety and other mood related issues, I'd love to know how many doctors took B12 tests before doling out prescriptions for SSRIs and other band aids ..

There is no health care industry in this country anymore ... It is a sickness industry, and the only way to remain healthy is to educate yourself, read and ask questions

I had comprehensive blood tests done before I went on to my medicine regime...you tar the medical profession with the same brush, but ours are not financially motivated as we have a National Health Service (you said in another post all WESTERN doctors follow the AMA).

Again, I am very interested to find out the level of your Medical training that allows you to make such sweeping statements...

In the late 90s, I was a 2nd year pre med student with aspirations of becoming a psychiatrist ... When my dad died during a routine stress test at a hospital, it changed my world in two ways:  I lost my best friend, unnecessarily, and I decided instead of pursuing a medical career, I choose to return to the family business ( auto repair and restoration ) that my parents had begun in 1982 .. That business meant everything to him, as he and my Mom sold their wedding bands to start it ..

Soon after, my Mom developed blood clots in her legs .. I stood there while her doctor told her that she would require surgery, and be on Heparin for the rest of her life ...... At that point, we took her to a integrative MD with practiced acupuncture ... Not only did he completely clear the blood clots with acupuncture and herbs, but he also helped my Mom kick a 25+ year Valium habit ... ( Mom is current 86 years old and still going to work everyday )

Personally, I have experienced the worst of the worst in doctors with my own health, which, if you are interested, I will write about ... But my recovery began with falling back on what I had learned, plus a lot of common sense - something that I feel Western doctors do not apply often enough to their diagnosis ..

I volunteer with a lyme disease support group here in NJ, as this infection has become epidemic here in NJ, and until recently, along with the host of other infections transmitted by ticks, was largely ignored by doctors, even to the point of denial ..

It was by my own unflinching refusal to believe that my condition was "for life" : when I was unable to walk up and down stairs unassisted and I had anxiety so bad that I could no longer go outside my home, I was told "that's it" ... bullshit

There are a lot of very good things people can do on their own to solve health issues that they absolutely should present and speak with a good doctor about ...

Ancient Ways mentioned a DNA test and Vitamin D - tests like these were all but out of the question a decade ago to anyone but a specialist, but now can be done thru simple saliva tests very reasonably and accurately thru a service like 23and Me ..

What a lot of doctors dislike about this is that all of a sudden, their patient has valuable tests results or info that they ( the doctor ) have no idea how to interpret or how to go about treating ..

Again, I am NOT in favor of someone doing anything without the guidance of a good MD or other doc ... But in the course of my recovery, due to all the reading I have done, my limited education and from speaking the other people who have gone thru or are going thru what I did, I feel THAT was as important as part of me getting my life back as anything ..

There is a reason for everything .. Just keep asking WHY and if your doctor doesn't have an answer, get another doctor

All very interesting, but it doesn't alter the fact that your experience is exclusively with American, not WESTERN doctors, and it certainty doesn't mirror the experiences that I and  many others I know have had over here.

Taking responsibility for your healthcare is of course a very responsible thing to do, something I practice myself.

Your anecdotes, whilst you have my sympathy, are certainly not evidence of the entire medical profession misperforming.

Fridge dude I think you hit the nail right on the head. I suffered from depression caused by relationship break up, being bullied at work etc

I mean I am a MAN. It is awful to feel like you have no control. I was in an office environment where you had to be so so correct about everything.

If I had been a construction worker or a factory worker I could have just said "OK lets go outside and sort this like man to man" I would not have cared if he was bigger than me, we could have had a good old fashioned punch up and if I got a hiding then fair enough, all would have been resolved then we could get on with it after clearing the air.

But in an office environment you cant do that, the mental bullying chips chips away at you over time it is horrible.

So I left and I was depressed. But all of the Therapists I spoke to knew jack shit. They learned everything from a book and at college. They have no experience of what it feels like

In the end with the help of my dear mum I sorted myself out

Sorry to be negative but, YOU are the only one that has control to get better.

I think you've got a little bit confused here.....

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:21 AM

View PostFridge, on 20 March 2017 - 09:35 AM, said:

View PostSteve Smith, on 20 March 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

View PostFridge, on 20 March 2017 - 04:04 AM, said:

View PostLucas, on 19 March 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

View PostFridge, on 19 March 2017 - 03:10 AM, said:

View PostLucas, on 18 March 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Of all the people here who have seen doctors for anxiety and other mood related issues, I'd love to know how many doctors took B12 tests before doling out prescriptions for SSRIs and other band aids ..

There is no health care industry in this country anymore ... It is a sickness industry, and the only way to remain healthy is to educate yourself, read and ask questions

I had comprehensive blood tests done before I went on to my medicine regime...you tar the medical profession with the same brush, but ours are not financially motivated as we have a National Health Service (you said in another post all WESTERN doctors follow the AMA).

Again, I am very interested to find out the level of your Medical training that allows you to make such sweeping statements...

In the late 90s, I was a 2nd year pre med student with aspirations of becoming a psychiatrist ... When my dad died during a routine stress test at a hospital, it changed my world in two ways:  I lost my best friend, unnecessarily, and I decided instead of pursuing a medical career, I choose to return to the family business ( auto repair and restoration ) that my parents had begun in 1982 .. That business meant everything to him, as he and my Mom sold their wedding bands to start it ..

Soon after, my Mom developed blood clots in her legs .. I stood there while her doctor told her that she would require surgery, and be on Heparin for the rest of her life ...... At that point, we took her to a integrative MD with practiced acupuncture ... Not only did he completely clear the blood clots with acupuncture and herbs, but he also helped my Mom kick a 25+ year Valium habit ... ( Mom is current 86 years old and still going to work everyday )

Personally, I have experienced the worst of the worst in doctors with my own health, which, if you are interested, I will write about ... But my recovery began with falling back on what I had learned, plus a lot of common sense - something that I feel Western doctors do not apply often enough to their diagnosis ..

I volunteer with a lyme disease support group here in NJ, as this infection has become epidemic here in NJ, and until recently, along with the host of other infections transmitted by ticks, was largely ignored by doctors, even to the point of denial ..

It was by my own unflinching refusal to believe that my condition was "for life" : when I was unable to walk up and down stairs unassisted and I had anxiety so bad that I could no longer go outside my home, I was told "that's it" ... bullshit

There are a lot of very good things people can do on their own to solve health issues that they absolutely should present and speak with a good doctor about ...

Ancient Ways mentioned a DNA test and Vitamin D - tests like these were all but out of the question a decade ago to anyone but a specialist, but now can be done thru simple saliva tests very reasonably and accurately thru a service like 23and Me ..

What a lot of doctors dislike about this is that all of a sudden, their patient has valuable tests results or info that they ( the doctor ) have no idea how to interpret or how to go about treating ..

Again, I am NOT in favor of someone doing anything without the guidance of a good MD or other doc ... But in the course of my recovery, due to all the reading I have done, my limited education and from speaking the other people who have gone thru or are going thru what I did, I feel THAT was as important as part of me getting my life back as anything ..

There is a reason for everything .. Just keep asking WHY and if your doctor doesn't have an answer, get another doctor

All very interesting, but it doesn't alter the fact that your experience is exclusively with American, not WESTERN doctors, and it certainty doesn't mirror the experiences that I and  many others I know have had over here.

Taking responsibility for your healthcare is of course a very responsible thing to do, something I practice myself.

Your anecdotes, whilst you have my sympathy, are certainly not evidence of the entire medical profession misperforming.

Fridge dude I think you hit the nail right on the head. I suffered from depression caused by relationship break up, being bullied at work etc

I mean I am a MAN. It is awful to feel like you have no control. I was in an office environment where you had to be so so correct about everything.

If I had been a construction worker or a factory worker I could have just said "OK lets go outside and sort this like man to man" I would not have cared if he was bigger than me, we could have had a good old fashioned punch up and if I got a hiding then fair enough, all would have been resolved then we could get on with it after clearing the air.

But in an office environment you cant do that, the mental bullying chips chips away at you over time it is horrible.

So I left and I was depressed. But all of the Therapists I spoke to knew jack shit. They learned everything from a book and at college. They have no experience of what it feels like

In the end with the help of my dear mum I sorted myself out

Sorry to be negative but, YOU are the only one that has control to get better.

I think you've got a little bit confused here.....

Maybe ? I was just trying to comment on how it is better to try to get better on your own rather than consulting the "experts"

Sorry if I have got it wrong

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:48 PM

I believe that some afflictions and complex mental disorders can be evident enough that it's pretty obvious, but the professional diagnosis is key.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 02:19 PM

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View PostAncient Ways, on 18 March 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

You left out the option for
No: I don't think you can self diagnose illnesses which is the only option I would select.

If acting as your own lawyer means you have a fool for a client it must be worse to act as your own doctor (especially if you're largely untrained).
so not even common things like the flu?
Meningitis can mimic the flu. One kills you and the other one doesn't, usually.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:24 PM

View Postjamie, on 19 March 2017 - 02:16 AM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 18 March 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

You left out the option for
No: I don't think you can self diagnose illnesses which is the only option I would select.

If acting as your own lawyer means you have a fool for a client it must be worse to act as your own doctor (especially if you're largely untrained).
so not even common things like the flu?
Even th doctor has to run a flu test to see if you are positive for flu.  They use your symptoms as a clue to decide to give the test but they can't positively diagnose w/o the test.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:27 PM

View PostLucas, on 18 March 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

View PostAncient Ways, on 18 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

View PostLucas, on 06 March 2017 - 12:10 AM, said:

As an example, here is a medical report on mood and impulsive disorders associated with B12 deficiency

This is a technical report and is kinda dry, but it illustrates how a vitamin deficiency can cause terrible symptoms

( just one example )

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3404901/
Why post that that when literally everyone is familiar with scurvy?  Of course deficiencies in important minerals and vitamins can be a problem.  My doctor ran a dna analysis of me and discovered I have a rare condition in which my body doesn't make very much vitamin D and I need to take a daily supplement.  I never knew I had it because the way I felt was "normal" to me.  Supplementing was an eye opener.

Scurvy ??  .. That's a vitamin C deficiency

You're living in denial if you think your average GP is going to take a B12 test when a patient presents with symptoms relating to OCD, anxiety, social issues, etc .....

And as I pointed out - JUST ONE EXAMPLE

B12 is just one deficiency

Of all the people here who have seen doctors for anxiety and other mood related issues, I'd love to know how many doctors took B12 tests before doling out prescriptions for SSRIs and other band aids ..

There is no health care industry in this country anymore ... It is a sickness industry, and the only way to remain healthy is to educate yourself, read and ask questions
I guess you missed the point.  You posted an article to prove that vitamin deficiencies can cause health problems.  My point is that this is common knowledge using sailors 300 years ago and scurvy as an example.




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