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#1 MrMan

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 01:40 PM

So, as an older person who has paid repeatedly for the some of the old classic albums I've largely avoided most of the Rush re-issues.  We all know the band has no "bonus" material the be included with re-issues.  They have a long and extensive set of live albums.  So...outside of improved sound there's not a lot of compelling reasons, to me, to buy, say the Sector series of the Studio Collection or really any of the re-issues.  

My Rush CD collection consists entirely of the original CDs.  But, I also love video and so I purchased the recent 2112 re-issue specifically for the restored, 45-minute show from 1977.  And the video is about what I expected (I'd seen Youtube videos before, so knew what I was getting).  I don't really have any complaints about that.  

But as far as the rest of the package...I find it a bit insulting.  What we get is the 2112 album.  I'm sure there are those who will claim the sound on this version is superior to others....but I don't hear it.  I'm sure they'll use words like "rich" and "deep" to describe how it's better.  And for those with an ear or appreciation for that I'm sure it's worthwhile.  But I played the CD in my car at loud volume and it sounded great...just as it had the eleventy-billion times I've played it before.  

But the 2nd CD is what truly bothers me.  What we get are:
  • a 19 second clip of Neil saying the "Attention all planets..." piece.  Why anyone thought this would be interesting is beyond me.  I thought this was an actual SONG when I saw the tracklist.  Maybe some reworked version of the Overture / Grand Finale...something like that.
  • Five mediocre covers that I'll listen to mabye 15 times in total (meaning each song 3 times).  I've listened to them twice already....there might be a 3rd time but beyond that it's unlikely.  As all the previous cover versions of Rush songs prove...they're a hard band to cover.  The people doing these covers are high quality musicians.  I was particularly interested in Steven Wilson's version of Twilight Zone.  But NONE of them work; they simply make me want to hear the original.
  • Two live songs taken from the Massey Hall dates.....that sound pretty much exactly like the versions originally included on All The World's A Stage.
  • An unlistenable bootleg version of Twilight Zone performed live
  • A commercial

Look, I get it.  Rush is very popular and their fans will eagerly embrace just about anything the ban puts out.  And no one forced me to buy this package.  And I could have checked before buying to understand exactly what I was getting.  But to me....to be putting out bootlegs, commercials and interviews is needlessly exploiting fans love of the band.  

I just feel the way Rush goes about merchandising all their material the last 10 years or so is desgined to extract maximum revenue from fans....as opposed to being fan-friendly and giving them what they want in a more affordable package.  

Couldn't the Landover video have been packaged in some way that didn't nearly $30?  Couldn't the DVD-Audio mixes from the Sector series been released in a way that didn't cost a fan hundreds of dollars?  For a band that long articulated the ideas of balance in life the marketing approach of the last 10 years seems in conflict with the band's overall message.  

Proably just me.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 02:18 PM

I agree. I bought the super deluxe box set and this is probably the worst box set I have ever bought (of any band).

The 2112 does not sound much better then the 2011 remastered version. And the only cover I liked was the Steven Wilson cover.

The bootleg song just made me angry, because I could not even listen to it once. Listened to half of the song, and then turn it off.

So I paid 125 USD for a remastered version that sound the same as the 2011 version (at least to my ears) and a Steven Wilson cover. Rest is just junk.

Worst box set ever...

I wish I never bought it....

I have played the album once, and I will probably never listen to it again.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 02:22 PM

Yeah , I am truly pissed off too. Very shotty package.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:29 PM

They need to release Full Live cds from each tour. This year marks the 40th Anniversary of "A Farewell To Kings", it's arguably there best album. We need some Bonus crap from this album & tour!

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:06 PM

I don't really feel sorry for anyone who spent this much on a product without checking out reviews and feedback first.

Sure you got ripped off. But then again it's not exactly hard to get information of what's inside these things anymore. I mean I listened to all of Bruce Springsteen's the Ties That Binds River era box set several times on Spotify before I settled to buy it.

I also managed to avoid spending £80 on the Darkness box set by checking out the contents and buying the separate releases.

I checked out all the content of the deluxe vinyl/artbook CD Paradise Lost "The Plague Within" box set before I bought the beauty for £39.99.

I did the same with the recent Nightwish seven disc live bluray release, and recent Kansas, Dream Theater, Yes, and several movie box sets.

Honestly...you whine you were ripped off...but the chance to try before you burn that money away is readily available to all.

Cry by yourself.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:14 PM

Segue -

you do realize that by making these comments MrMan is actually providing such a review that you refer to?  lol.

MrMan -

I agree, totally crappy box set.  The new master was unremarkable, the covers were meh (SW is my favorite, and I felt his cover was meh), the alternate takes from ATWAS were not stellar and perhaps only interesting for historic purposes (I can hear why these versions weren't chosen.)  The video was weak.  Very much an over-priced cash grab.

I really liked the 2112 5.1 package that came out a few years back.  Far superior and the 5.1 provides actual value.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:44 PM

View Postcygnify, on 24 February 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Segue -

you do realize that by making these comments MrMan is actually providing such a review that you refer to?  lol.

MrMan -

I agree, totally crappy box set.  The new master was unremarkable, the covers were meh (SW is my favorite, and I felt his cover was meh), the alternate takes from ATWAS were not stellar and perhaps only interesting for historic purposes (I can hear why these versions weren't chosen.)  The video was weak.  Very much an over-priced cash grab.

I really liked the 2112 5.1 package that came out a few years back.  Far superior and the 5.1 provides actual value.

Most music magazines and websites get the promos and stuff and you can find out from that. Some YouTubers spend money as reviewing is there hobby, and many go extensively into the details of the box set.

Nearly all audio is available to stream first on apps that are legal.

If you insist that you can only enjoy anything by buying it first no matter what or that you have to own everything official a band releases then it's your problem when you get letdown.

Regardless of the content there are plenty of ways to find out about these sets from reliable sources before you spend cash.

Whining you got ripped off in this day and age makes me think you are just too lazy to check out the contents first. I should know I buy a lot of music and I always check it out first, the material and the package itself.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:17 PM

Everything stated in this thread is exactly why I didn't buy it.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 08:50 PM

Got the CD/DVD version for Christmas. As someone who didn't own 2112 before, this was a nice value. I liked the video (though I had seen it on youtube prior, but there is higher fidelity audio & video on the DVD), Didn't listen to the covers, don't intend to. The Something For Nothing outtake sounded good. Listening to the 2112 live outtake for the first time now. Seems to have some kind of weird audio clipping going on in the right audio channel during certain parts of the song (perhaps that's why it's an outtake). The Twilight Zone "1977 Live Contraband" sounded like a bootleg (the audio quality reminds me of the "Bad Boys In Cleveland" bootleg from the Fly By Night tour). "The Solar Federation" is and interesting way to kick off disc 2. And the ad is... something. I suppose that's there for historical value more than anything else.
That's the most I have to say at the moment.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 09:25 PM

View Postcygnify, on 24 February 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:


I really liked the 2112 5.1 package that came out a few years back.  Far superior and the 5.1 provides actual value.

I'd have ditched it when this new one came out if it were not for those live tracks from the Moving Pictures Tour. That's the sole attraction for me. Even the revisionist art on this was bad. Thought the comic was kind of laughable too. But here it still sits.



I don't have the new one, but I still plan to get the 2CD/DVD set for the live Massey Hall tracks (and I guess the Capitol Theatre show too since it's been restored.) The Twilight Zone reissue 45 would be nice too, but I was laying out for just that.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 11:28 PM

View Postytserush, on 24 February 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

The Twilight Zone reissue 45 would be nice too, but I was laying out for just that.

Yeah, the ONLY thing I cared about in this package was the Twilight Zone 7" Single and that was limited to the first 1000 orders. Not being guaranteed and not wanting to spend $125 for a damn 7", I decided to pass. Nothing else about this box set interests me. I wish they had just sold the 7" separately for $10 to $20. I would have been happy to pay for just the single. It has a really nice picture sleeve and I'm all about that!

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 03:08 PM

View PostSegue Myles, on 24 February 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

I don't really feel sorry for anyone who spent this much on a product without checking out reviews and feedback first.

Sure you got ripped off. But then again it's not exactly hard to get information of what's inside these things anymore. I mean I listened to all of Bruce Springsteen's the Ties That Binds River era box set several times on Spotify before I settled to buy it.

I also managed to avoid spending £80 on the Darkness box set by checking out the contents and buying the separate releases.

I checked out all the content of the deluxe vinyl/artbook CD Paradise Lost "The Plague Within" box set before I bought the beauty for £39.99.

I did the same with the recent Nightwish seven disc live bluray release, and recent Kansas, Dream Theater, Yes, and several movie box sets.

Honestly...you whine you were ripped off...but the chance to try before you burn that money away is readily available to all.

Cry by yourself.

I find it interesting you completely ignored this part of my post:

Look, I get it.  Rush is very popular and their fans will eagerly embrace just about anything the ban puts out.  And no one forced me to buy this package.  And I could have checked before buying to understand exactly what I was getting.


My point was bigger picture really.  It's that Rush was once what I considered a "working man's band" and treated their fans fairly.  But in the last ten years it's been nothing but one cash grab after another.....pure greed from my perspective.  I bought this set almost solely for the 1977 video (I have an extensive video library and wanted to add this).  I hoped the rest of the package would demonstrate at least a minimal level of quality.  

But feel free to insult anyone who dares to express negative opinions.  Never mind that my post is the EXACT sort of information you would rely upon to make your oh-so-smart decisions.  

As for Rush...like I said in my OP I have almost completely avoided any of the repackages and having given in once you can bet I won't be doing it again.

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:17 PM

There was a time when i bought everything Rush but i essentially want to hear new Rush not some upteenth remaster where Neil's hihat maybe crisper and clearer.I streamed the bonus disc and ,err,ok ,but i find something odd about having muso fans playing on an official Rush cd.I have always felt those Various Artists play the music of Led Zeppelin interesting but hardly essential.The only reason for me to buy it would be if i was flush with cash and there was a dusty part of the shelf to rest it on.

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 05:21 PM

View PostMrMan, on 26 February 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

View PostSegue Myles, on 24 February 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

I don't really feel sorry for anyone who spent this much on a product without checking out reviews and feedback first.

Sure you got ripped off. But then again it's not exactly hard to get information of what's inside these things anymore. I mean I listened to all of Bruce Springsteen's the Ties That Binds River era box set several times on Spotify before I settled to buy it.

I also managed to avoid spending £80 on the Darkness box set by checking out the contents and buying the separate releases.

I checked out all the content of the deluxe vinyl/artbook CD Paradise Lost "The Plague Within" box set before I bought the beauty for £39.99.

I did the same with the recent Nightwish seven disc live bluray release, and recent Kansas, Dream Theater, Yes, and several movie box sets.

Honestly...you whine you were ripped off...but the chance to try before you burn that money away is readily available to all.

Cry by yourself.

I find it interesting you completely ignored this part of my post:

Look, I get it.  Rush is very popular and their fans will eagerly embrace just about anything the ban puts out.  And no one forced me to buy this package.  And I could have checked before buying to understand exactly what I was getting.


My point was bigger picture really.  It's that Rush was once what I considered a "working man's band" and treated their fans fairly.  But in the last ten years it's been nothing but one cash grab after another.....pure greed from my perspective.  I bought this set almost solely for the 1977 video (I have an extensive video library and wanted to add this).  I hoped the rest of the package would demonstrate at least a minimal level of quality.  

But feel free to insult anyone who dares to express negative opinions.  Never mind that my post is the EXACT sort of information you would rely upon to make your oh-so-smart decisions.  

As for Rush...like I said in my OP I have almost completely avoided any of the repackages and having given in once you can bet I won't be doing it again.

I don't see how I insulted you. And I don't get why you would spend so much money before checking the contents and then complain it wasn't what you expected.

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 08:04 AM

I can relate to what MrMan is saying. I spent a fair amount of time watching stuff on YouTube that I wish was officially distributed. Why should I pay a lot of money for a box set of stuff I already have because I want the one disc that's an previously unreleased extra? Somebody in Rush's management is deciding this is a good idea. The band themselves? IDK. A way to make money, yes. You guys in the Northern Hemisphere have more options than what I can find here. Not to mention all the frigging merchants that won't ship outside the US. Like I'm in some third world country where the mail is carried by the monthly pack mule. Don't get me started.

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 10:33 AM

I didn't buy it either. After buying the 2015 vinyl pressing I decided that buying this shit four times was good enough. I might do number five if it came with a life-size Alex moose knuckle poster though.

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 10:29 PM

View PostIwillchooseFreeWill, on 27 February 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

I can relate to what MrMan is saying. I spent a fair amount of time watching stuff on YouTube that I wish was officially distributed. Why should I pay a lot of money for a box set of stuff I already have because I want the one disc that's an previously unreleased extra? Somebody in Rush's management is deciding this is a good idea. The band themselves? IDK. A way to make money, yes. You guys in the Northern Hemisphere have more options than what I can find here. Not to mention all the frigging merchants that won't ship outside the US. Like I'm in some third world country where the mail is carried by the monthly pack mule. Don't get me started.

I find this very funny !!

Much more entertaining than the dull-as-dishwater cover of Twilight Zone

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 10:53 PM

View PostLucas, on 27 February 2017 - 10:29 PM, said:

View PostIwillchooseFreeWill, on 27 February 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

I can relate to what MrMan is saying. I spent a fair amount of time watching stuff on YouTube that I wish was officially distributed. Why should I pay a lot of money for a box set of stuff I already have because I want the one disc that's an previously unreleased extra? Somebody in Rush's management is deciding this is a good idea. The band themselves? IDK. A way to make money, yes. You guys in the Northern Hemisphere have more options than what I can find here. Not to mention all the frigging merchants that won't ship outside the US. Like I'm in some third world country where the mail is carried by the monthly pack mule. Don't get me started.

I find this very funny !!

Much more entertaining than the dull-as-dishwater cover of Twilight Zone

Not funny here. So many times I get ready to do an online transaction only to find out that the only address options are the US and APO boxes. Even Amazon who I feel like I'm supporting some days will sometimes not ship here. If I can find the same product in Oz that's fine even though it will be double the price (taxes plus greed). And don't get my started on DVD regions....

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 12:09 AM

View PostIwillchooseFreeWill, on 27 February 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

View PostLucas, on 27 February 2017 - 10:29 PM, said:

View PostIwillchooseFreeWill, on 27 February 2017 - 08:04 AM, said:

I can relate to what MrMan is saying. I spent a fair amount of time watching stuff on YouTube that I wish was officially distributed. Why should I pay a lot of money for a box set of stuff I already have because I want the one disc that's an previously unreleased extra? Somebody in Rush's management is deciding this is a good idea. The band themselves? IDK. A way to make money, yes. You guys in the Northern Hemisphere have more options than what I can find here. Not to mention all the frigging merchants that won't ship outside the US. Like I'm in some third world country where the mail is carried by the monthly pack mule. Don't get me started.

I find this very funny !!

Much more entertaining than the dull-as-dishwater cover of Twilight Zone

Not funny here. So many times I get ready to do an online transaction only to find out that the only address options are the US and APO boxes. Even Amazon who I feel like I'm supporting some days will sometimes not ship here. If I can find the same product in Oz that's fine even though it will be double the price (taxes plus greed). And don't get my started on DVD regions....

Is Australia that bad for shipping ?? .. geeesh, sorry to hear

Well the blu ray regions are better than the DVD, right ?? ... or are you still operating on the VHS/Beta system ??

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